Comments Thread For: Report: Kambosos To Defend Lightweight Titles June 5 In Melbourne, Lomachenko Frontrunner

[factsarenice]

The only fight that matters at lightweight is undisputed: Kambosos vs Devin Haney.

Just like Lomachenko (petitioned WBC for franchise belt instead of satisfying WBC mandatory with Haney), Ryan Garcia (fought WBC eliminator to fight Haney then ran) and Teofimo Lopez (fought Kambosos instead of making history with Haney), Kambosos is missing out on a golden opportunity to become only the 7th WBC/WBA/IBF/WBO undisputed champion in boxing.

If he's a real champion, he'll step up to the Haney challenge. If not, he'll avoid him, and do what every other lightweight has done when faced with a Haney fight they aren't sure they're going to win. Take the safer route and pretend it's a better fight.

Seriously?

The only fight that matters at lightweight is undisputed: Kambosos vs Devin Haney

Good luck selling that nonsense!

News flash, nobody but a few loud fanboys are willing to PAY to see some entitled shyt talker with a virtual belt. Sure Devin Haney shows promise but he was literally given a belt over the internet for doing nothing, he's boring and he doesn't draw peanuts. It's called prize fighting for a reason and Haney is not Floyd or Canelo and whining about it won't change it, winning will.

[paulf]

not sure what you don’t get but being an Olympic medalist shouldn’t have anything to do with where professional title organizations rank you. That’s just ******. It was entitlement, end of story. I’m not hating, you’re just a loma d1k rider. If you recall, there were several pro boxers who voiced their displeasure about loma getting a shot so early and many reached out to support salido as a result. It was unfair to get that type of favoritism.

You clearly haven't been watching boxing very long. For all fighters, amateur accomplishments play a huge role in their moving up rankings once they go pro. If you have serious amateur pedigree, world championship wins, Olympic medals, etc you climb the rankings faster because you have more credibility. This is true of every single fighter.

All the big names that won the Olympics got a title shot when their handlers felt they were ready - usually a year or two after going pro - the shot was theirs whenever they wanted it. This was true for Spinks, Ali, Tyson, Tate, Frazier, Lewis, etc. If you win the Olympics, you can have a title shot whenever ya want it.

The thing is, no one goes for the title in their first fight because of what happened to Pete Rademacher. He won the heavyweight Gold via first round KO and was considered so damn good that they decided to fight Floyd Patterson for the title in his pro debut. He was dropped seven times and it was considered a disastrous choice. He never recovered from the beating and was a journeyman after that. That why they always have guys fight 10-20 bums the first year of their career before fighting for a title, even if theyre absolutely blue-chip prospects.

Olympic champions get title shots when they want 'em. It was true 75 years ago and it's true today.

[Jab jab boom]

You clearly haven't been watching boxing very long. For all fighters, amateur accomplishments play a huge role in their moving up rankings once they go pro. If you have serious amateur pedigree, world championship wins, Olympic medals, etc you climb the rankings faster because you have more credibility. This is true of every single fighter.

All the big names that won the Olympics got a title shot when their handlers felt they were ready - usually a year or two after going pro - the shot was theirs whenever they wanted it. This was true for Spinks, Ali, Tyson, Tate, Frazier, Lewis, etc. If you win the Olympics, you can have a title shot whenever ya want it.

The thing is, no one goes for the title in their first fight because of what happened to Pete Rademacher. He won the heavyweight Gold via first round KO and was considered so damn good that they decided to fight Floyd Patterson for the title in his pro debut. He was dropped seven times and it was considered a disastrous choice. He never recovered from the beating and was a journeyman after that. That why they always have guys fight 10-20 bums the first year of their career before fighting for a title, even if theyre absolutely blue-chip prospects.

Olympic champions get title shots when they want 'em. It was true 75 years ago and it's true today.

1. How many guys you know got a title shot in their 2nd pro fight? Ever? You mentioned 1 guy over 60 yrs ago. If loma got the fastest title shot of anyone in over 60 yrs, is that not entitlement and preferential treatment??
2. Everything you mentioned about Olympic fighters only proves my point about it being entitlement and loma received a title shot way faster than any of those names you mentioned. Moving up the rankings faster is one thing, going to the front of the line after 1 pro fight is another. Which was my original point.

So unless you’re arguing that he isn’t entitled and hasn’t received favorable treatment, your points are irrelevant to the point that I’m making.

[jackkeane6]

So the logic is fight in the country that had a failed coup and holds the record for the most incarcerated and homeless people per capita ...and fight for peanuts.

Seems like people in those 3rd world **** hole countries don't likes peanuts as much as we do.

Question, how do you feel about Canelo turning down a fight with David Benavidez for upwards of 50 million to fight anyone else for much, much less?

I literally do not care at all about how much any specific fighter gets paid. It doesn’t affect me at all. I just wanna see good fights. And for people to stop crippling themselves with the murder jab.

[factsarenice]

I know winning the Olympics gets you some benefits as a pro. You get more exposure which the leads to more money and more opportunities. But a title shot your 2nd pro fight? None of those guys you mentioned got that type of favoritism. That was extreme

The Olympics give a fighter a ticket to the big show but they still need to win. That said, throwing Lomachanko in DEEP WATER after just two fights was a massive and crazy risk and that's why it had never been done before. Even worse, he would need to fight Gary Russell a guy that was considered by many to be a P4P killer and Lomachanko was coming off a loss.

In the end there was no favoritism, the WBO title was vacant and Gary felt the belt was there for the taking. Like everyone else...including me...Gary thought he would be a mercy killing.

[Mammoth]

Emotions........

[paulf]

1. How many guys you know got a title shot in their 2nd pro fight? Ever? You mentioned 1 guy over 60 yrs ago. If loma got the fastest title shot of anyone in over 60 yrs, is that not entitlement and preferential treatment??
2. Everything you mentioned about Olympic fighters only proves my point about it being entitlement and loma received a title shot way faster than any of those names you mentioned. Moving up the rankings faster is one thing, going to the front of the line after 1 pro fight is another. Which was my original point.

So unless you’re arguing that he isn’t entitled and hasn’t received favorable treatment, your points are irrelevant to the point that I’m making.

1) How many guys got their shot in their second fight? The exact number of Olympic champions that WANTED a world title shot in their second fight.

2) An Olympic champion is absolutely entitled to a world title shot whenever they're ready. First fight, second fight, 20th. Whatever. A gold Olympic medal is a far bigger accomplishment than beating 13 guys ranked outside the top 50.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

how is it that he had nothing to do with it when he was actually asking for a title shot in his first pro fight and arum told him, that’s not possible but I can pull strings to get you one in your second. It’s entitlement ya tard.

You’re clearly a f***ing m*** so I’ll explain it in layman’s terms

A standout amateur turns pro.

Beats a ranked fighter in his first fight.

Therefore becomes ranked himself.

Therefore becomes eligible for a title shot.

He then wins the world title in his third pro fight undoubtedly proving he was ready and deserving to fight for the world title.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

I don't want to go off on a rant here but....

First off.... throughout history winning at the Olympics and Golden Gloves most certainly, ABSOLUTELY guaranteed a boxer a better seat at the table. That's just indisputable fact.

I realize that you are young but for your own sake check look up Olympians and you'll find Ray Lenard, George Foreman and that other guy Muhammad Ali.

Check them out, you'll come away with an entirely new understanding.

Yeah this kid hasn’t got a clue man.

I’ve literally explained to him why Loma fought for a title so early about 5 times now.

[Jab jab boom]

1) How many guys got their shot in their second fight? The exact number of Olympic champions that WANTED a world title shot in their second fight.

2) An Olympic champion is absolutely entitled to a world title shot whenever they're ready. First fight, second fight, 20th. Whatever. A gold Olympic medal is a far bigger accomplishment than beating 13 guys ranked outside the top 50.

1. So the answer is none.
2. Show me where it states in any world title rule book from any organization that an Olympic champion is entitled to a professional world title whenever they want.