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  • TernceBudCharlo
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    #21
    Originally posted by TreyShaw

    Lol

    People said the same thing about jacobs, kova, Smith(who was ring magazine lineal saw champ)and a giant at 6'4, bjs and the plant.A lot of people said those guys all had chances given they're size, skill etc.

    Trust me when canelo school and beats up Bivol they will say the same thing "bivol was a cherry pick". Whe canelo beats Charlo they'll say the same that's why they are called haters.
    The proof that that's wrong is in the odds - kova/smth/plant were +500 underdogs or worse, Bivol will not be that big an underdog.

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      #22
      Originally posted by Keysandboxing
      This shiii had me confused. I remember when everyone was calling Canelo to fight "pure boxers". He's fought 2 pure boxers in a row. Now, it's likely he'll be fighting Bivol next. Now, he's fighting another pure boxer, mind you everyone talked about how much he struggles with them. Now, everyone wants him to fight guys who can **** (Beterbiev, and Benavidez). Real fight fans know, that the fighter who gives Canelo the most trouble right now, is Bivol. Beterbiev and Benavidez are too open to trade shot for shot with Canelo.

      I'll be honest, I'll be suprised if Canelo fights Bivol next, but if he does....give this man his respect, win, lose, or draw. A win against Bivol or Beterbiev puts him relatively high on the ATG list imo. These Canelo haters, can't except the fact that we witnessing a great fighter in his prime, fighting guys that are in their prime. Regardless of what some people say Canelo fought: Trout, Lara, Jacobs, GGG, Callum Smith, BJS, and Caleb Plant in their prime. All but two of those guys were undefeated at the time. A win against an undefeated Bivol, Beterbiev, or Benavidez makes this man an ATG for sure.
      At a known Clenelo weight of 172??? Why not 175?

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        #23
        At 172??? Why not 175?

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        • TreyShaw
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          #24
          Originally posted by TernceBudCharlo

          The proof that that's wrong is in the odds - kova/smth/plant were +500 underdogs or worse, Bivol will not be that big an underdog.
          Do you have the odds on that fight?

          I highly doubt he would have better odds being that he's waaay more unknown than Kova, plant, Smith.

          Sorry to break it to you but besides us boxing nuts no casual has ever heard of Bivol which is what matters when betting.

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          • TernceBudCharlo
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            #25
            Originally posted by TreyShaw

            Do you have the odds on that fight?

            I highly doubt he would have better odds being that he's waaay more unknown than Kova, plant, Smith.

            Sorry to break it to you but besides us boxing nuts no casual has ever heard of Bivol which is what matters when betting.
            Casual fans aren't putting big enough bets to swing the odds. Maybe some are but they'd be really ****** to.

            The more $$ you put down the more the odds move.

            Kova was a +500 so clearly the fans knew that was a severely faded Kovalev, Kovalev would have been a heavy favorite back in 2017.

            If casual fans want to be dumb enough to put big beats on Canelo at those odds (think $1000 on Canelo paying off like $300 if he wins), they would be an idiot.

            Betting $1,000 on Bivol to pay off $5,000 if he wins is a massive steal.

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            • El_Maldito_Rey
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              #26
              Originally posted by TernceBudCharlo

              That's not what the Canelo fans were saying before the fight.

              People need to be consistent with their standards.

              Like Bivol is by far the best opponent Canelo has faced since Floyd. If he wins, he'd be p4p #1 on my list. That won't change after the fight for me unless I out out Canelo put in a rehydration clause or some shady ****.
              I never said that. Porter was a step up from Crawford's previous opponents, but not by much. He has been beaten by everyone when he stepped up and was on his way out.

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              • JakeTheBoxer
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                #27
                I am "Canelo hater" but if he fights Bivol at 175, I will be impressed.

                But I will not be impressed if he fights Charlo.

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                  #28
                  Originally posted by TernceBudCharlo

                  I'm not talking about weight or height, I'm talking about stuff that canelo puts in the contract to weaken his opponents, stuff like catchweight, rehydration clauses, clauses that allow him to use steroids but drugs test the opponent, he picks the gloves, ring size, rehydration clauses. Because people are desperate for money they allow it, like GGG, if he had an ounce of integrity he would have said I refuse to fight a steroid cheat. Or I will only fight you if you agree to allow police to monitor your gym even day and search your house/reynoso's house for PEDs randomly.
                  Bsht! He let ggg pick the ref. Judges, gloves now you are just lying.

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                    #29
                    Originally posted by TernceBudCharlo
                    Bud only fought Shawn Porter because you all said he had to. You all said he was the boogeyman because he made spence go life and death with him. After the fight the tune changed to how washed up he was.


                    Props to Canelo for doing something similar finally, facing an undefeated very skilled fighter in a higher weight class that the fans said would be a real challenge for canelo, unlike everyone he's fought since GGG. And GGG was old and Canelo only fought him because he looked bad vs Jacobs. Don't believe me? Even Canelo admitted this, in the press conferences he kept saying how Jacobs clearly won and a win over GGG would be nothing special. So even Canelo admitted his best win isn't that good. Biviol is a much better boxer.
                    Provide link Canelo only fought ggg because he looked bad against Jacobs.

                    I call BSHT

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                    • STREET CLEANER
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                      #30
                      No matter who Canelo fights his haters will poke holes at it. Either is Bivol, GGG, Charlo or Benavides it will be called a cherry pick or that they knew the guy was on the way out or some other excuse. His haters will make threads in how the opposing fighter will win and when they loose they will say it was a weak opponent.

                      If he beats Bivol they will say that Smith had him almost KOed, if it is GGG he is old, if it is Charlo was that he came up in weight and was too small, if it Benavides they will say he couldn't do 168 safely, etc. Even that CW that is much bigger than him they will already criticizing that fight.

                      The only two I can see that will give Canelo a very hard fight is if he goes up to 175 and fights Bivol and Betterbiev. They have the size and the skill.

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