Sure it's absurd...But we'd Never forget it

**Willow The Wisp** · 01-17-2022, 11:13 AM

Not much interest in this sort of thing here I gather. That happens. At least Lucas Browne is taking this seriously.

**daggum** · 01-17-2022, 11:42 AM

i think its a little funny to say wilder stepped up when he admitted he was only fighting fury who was toiling away on undercards lookin like a complete bum because fury was fat and on drugs. his cherry pick just backfired and killed his career. thats a better way to frame it cause we know that was his mindset since he himself admitted that.

**Willow The Wisp** · 01-17-2022, 12:37 PM

Originally posted by daggum

i think its a little funny to say wilder stepped up when he admitted he was only fighting fury who was toiling away on undercards lookin like a complete bum because fury was fat and on drugs. his cherry pick just backfired and killed his career. thats a better way to frame it cause we know that was his mindset since he himself admitted that.

Tangentially speaking, I understand what you're saying my friend. Certainly Tyson Fury appears more formidable to any prospective opponent now than he did before, well.....his wars with Wilder. Taking on Fury after such a long layoff and collection of behavioral health challenges was certainly a move with seemingly diminished risk for the former WBC titleist. Having encoutered so many ex-fighters left with little, sound navigation in a fighter serves only to gladen my heart. Still, the pylons beneath my comment lie in the unassailable fact that UNIFICATION is the responsibility of any fragment title beltholder who is in earnest, and the objective of a management team who have full faith in their charge. For some time now, with the intermission of Joshua handing his laurels over to every other challenger he's faced recently; there has been a "Big Three" amongst the Heavies. Wilder, Fury and Joshua. The path to the oldest and richest title in all of sports to be made whole again is (was) for these "title claiments" to STEP UP and fight each other, which Tyson Fury, the only real champion, and Deontay Wilder, the most dangerous man in Boxing, have done. It doesn't seem too long ago that the affable, chiseled Londoner was tabbed by legions of fans and obsevers to be the strongest horse in the derby. Having since been outfought and smashed in one outing and comprehensively outboxed in another, each time by contenders accurately assessed as only on the perifrea of the top 10, the status that Joshua once enjoyed is kilometers in the rear view now, and it would take a big run to recapture that. Wilder and Fury, in the meantime, have done nothing less than cover each other in glory as a result of their epic, historic pairings. I wish Joshua well. Like the other two I contend that his title run and huge popularity earn him votes into the IBHOF, and I know that if the satin sheets have not robbed him of his purpose and aplomb, he has the gifts to still do some great things.

**daggum** · 01-17-2022, 01:10 PM

Originally posted by Willow The Wisp

Tangentially speaking, I understand what you're saying my friend. Certainly Tyson Fury appears more formidable to any prospective opponent now than he did before, well.....his wars with Wilder. Taking on Fury after such a long layoff and collection of behavioral health challenges was certainly a move with seemingly diminished risk for the former WBC titleist. Having encoutered so many ex-fighters left with little, sound navigation in a fighter serves only to gladen my heart. Still, the pylons beneath my comment lie in the unassailable fact that UNIFICATION is the responsibility of any fragment title beltholder who is in earnest, and the objective of a management team who have full faith in their charge. For some time now, with the intermission of Joshua handing his laurels over to every other challenger he's faced recently; there has been a "Big Three" amongst the Heavies. Wilder, Fury and Joshua. The path to the oldest and richest title in all of sports to be made whole again is (was) for these "title claiments" to STEP UP and fight each other, which Tyson Fury, the only real champion, and Deontay Wilder, the most dangerous man in Boxing, have done. It doesn't seem too long ago that the affable, chiseled Londoner was tabbed by legions of fans and obsevers to be the strongest horse in the derby. Having since been outfought and smashed in one outing and comprehensively outboxed in another, each time by contenders accurately assessed as only on the perifrea of the top 10, the status that Joshua once enjoyed is kilometers in the rear view now, and it would take a big run to recapture that. Wilder and Fury, in the meantime, have done nothing less than cover each other in glory as a result of their epic, historic pairings. I wish Joshua well. Like the other two I contend that his title run and huge popularity earn him votes into the IBHOF, and I know that if the satin sheets have not robbed him of his purpose and aplomb, he has the gifts to still do some great things.

but like i said how was wilder stepping up when he himself admitted he was cherry picking fury cause he thought fury ******(as did most) joshua has fought far better opposition than wilder and when you do that you are far more likely to take losses. joshua also tried to fight wilder and offered him 100 million and wilder rejected it.

i dont see joshua being relevant again. hes just not good enough. wilder really never should have been relevant. simply didnt have the skill and certainly didnt have the resume. he was just hype knocking over tomato cans and old men. you even called him teh most dangerous man in boxing but what is that based on? he has one good win over an old fat fighter who was well past his best when he fought him and he only caught him late after the pensioner had blown his load. charles matin was one punch away from stopping ortiz so maybe charles martin is the second most dangerous man in boxing?

lets not forget fury is not known as a puncher at all and knocked wilder silly twice. i dont think you can be known as dangerous if you cant take a punch from a pillow fisted man

**RJJ-94-02=GOAT** · 01-17-2022, 01:18 PM

Originally posted by Willow The Wisp

It's half serious, so stay light. Think fun thoughts.
Thinking about the difficulties making the premium, title unifying fights we all crave at Heavyweight. Fury and Wilder have stepped up, done their part (thrice). We might assume that AJ wants in as well; but between mounting stumbles on the lead up to unification and the complications of Covid-19, who knows if the Joshua/Usyk/Ruiz Jr. Multi-belt holder becomes ready to fight for the lineal crown in 2022?
After he dispenses with the deserving but acerbic Dillian Whyte (or the slightly fragile if pretty capable Robert Helenius); I think Tyson should go on a whirlwind tour of the planet. Let the top dozen contenders just gel for awhile. Allow time to insist that some of the young lions bag some of the old guard who've had their run. It's a World Title, afterall! Judging by the homebody approach of longstanding recent greats like Holmes, Tyson and Klitchko, one might form the impression that the Word began and terminated in Las Vegas or Germany. It doesn't, and the last all-time great to really appreciate that in the manner in which he crafted his legacy was, of course Muhammad Ali; who would have turned 80 tomorrow. Not super-tough opponents, mind you. Quantity over quality in this tour. 12 rounds, title defenses, not exhibitions. Active pros, a few yanked out of mothballs, perhaps. Barring any injuries, it's just staying in great form like Maxie Rosenbloom or Young Stribling used to do it. Do it to set yourself apart in the record books. Do it for the purpose of putting the stamp of the Champion on great nations all over the globe. Affordable tickets, big live audiences, use of national pride via national champions, "putting their nations on the map" for an evening. Make agressive investment in event buildup, like a concert tour. Sell it as a package on PPV, the suspense being, 'Does one of these guys get lucky?" Something unique for legacy building, like a modern day John L. Sullivan barnstorming. It would keep any champ out of the pub, away from the refrigerator. Ignore the small thinkers who cry that these national heroes "don't warrant a title shot!" You get in there with em' then tell us they can't fight. The master said it all decades ago. "You cant fight Joe Frazier every three months" -Muhammad Ali.
Feed as many or as few as your imaginations allows. Something perhaps like this......

May
Evgenios Lazaridis, Greece 17-3-0 (11) 6'6" 241
Guido Vianello, Italy. 8-0-1 (8) 6'6" 249
Niall Kennedy, Ireland. 14-2-1 (9) 6'3" 224
June
Umut Camkiran, Turkey. 17-0-0 (16)
Ruann Visser, South Africa 18-2-1 (16) 6'10" 273
Sameul Kadje, France. 16-1-0 (13) 6'3" 216
Mahmoud Charr, Lebanon. 32-4-0 (18) 6'4" 245
July
Roman Greenberg, Israel. 27-1-0 (18) 6'3" 232
Kyotaro Fujimoto, Japan. 21-2-0 (13) 6'0" 230
Junlong Zhang, China. 18-0-0 (18) 6'4" 270
Zhilei Zhang, China. 23-0-1 (18) 6'6" 256
August
Zhan Kossobutskiy, Kazakhstan. 17-0-0 (16) 6'3" 231
Gurcharan Singh, India. 20-1-0 (11) 6'3" 229
Ahmed Hefny, Egypt. 13-1-0 (5) 6'2" 210
Onoriode Ehwarieme, Nigeria 19-2-0 (18) 6'7" 236
September
Martin Bakole, Congo. 17-1-0 (13) 6'6" 263
Collins Omondi Ojal, Kenya. 6-1-1 (4) 6'6" 224
Ebeneezer Tetteh, Ghana. 20-1-0 (17) 6'4" 220
October
Gunnar Kristinsson, Iceland. 12-0-0 (6) 6"4" 245
Victor Emilio Ramirez, Argentina 27-4-1 (22) 6'0" 230
George Arias, Dominican Republic. 17-0-0 (7) 6'0" 225
Ubaldo Ilagor, Mexico. 8-0-0 (7) 6'3" 280
Igor Macedo, Brazil. 10-1-0 (10) 6'3" 220

Who knows??? In the age of the Paul brothers or Floyd Mayweather's next stunt.

Would and probably could never happen but it would be pretty cool to see a modern fighter go “on tour” shall we say. Always remember reading after Robinson defeated Bobo Olson, he fought abroad something like 12 times in less than 12 months. Pretty sure it was the stretch between 50-51 were he was upset by Turpin at Earls Court.

**Willow The Wisp** · 01-17-2022, 10:21 PM

Originally posted by RJJ-94-02=GOAT

Would and probably could never happen but it would be pretty cool to see a modern fighter go “on tour” shall we say. Always remember reading after Robinson defeated Bobo Olson, he fought abroad something like 12 times in less than 12 months. Pretty sure it was the stretch between 50-51 were he was upset by Turpin at Earls Court.

The Turpin loss is proof, there is risk that comes with activity. Just read that Fury looks above 300 lbs. Sparring Joseph Parker this week. Thats risk too. He might be better off on the road introducing countries to the title. Just a thought.

**Willow The Wisp** · 08-18-2022, 12:29 PM

Originally posted by daggum

but like i said how was wilder stepping up when he himself admitted he was cherry picking fury cause he thought fury ******(as did most) joshua has fought far better opposition than wilder and when you do that you are far more likely to take losses. joshua also tried to fight wilder and offered him 100 million and wilder rejected it.

i dont see joshua being relevant again. hes just not good enough. wilder really never should have been relevant. simply didnt have the skill and certainly didnt have the resume. he was just hype knocking over tomato cans and old men. you even called him teh most dangerous man in boxing but what is that based on? he has one good win over an old fat fighter who was well past his best when he fought him and he only caught him late after the pensioner had blown his load. charles matin was one punch away from stopping ortiz so maybe charles martin is the second most dangerous man in boxing?

lets not forget fury is not known as a puncher at all and knocked wilder silly twice. i dont think you can be known as dangerous if you cant take a punch from a pillow fisted man

I don't know about any of that nonsense. Joshua has beaten better quality than Wilder, but not by much. Klitschko was ancient and retired, Parker hasn't met expectations, Ruiz almost lost to old Arreola, we saw just how good Whyte was in his beat down by Fury, and in the only head to head matchup featuring a Wilder victim and a Joshua scalp, Older-now Ortiz blew away Charles Martin, the guy Joshua won his "Title" from! Wilder didn't "cherry pick" Fury at all. He went after the only REAL heavyweight championship of the World there is. Calling all these top heavyweight contenders "not relevant" is absurd. If a guy doesn't have the natural ability to climb up to where all these guys are, he switches up his training and goes into MMA to fight for peanuts.
now you know, and it was my pleasure to serve.

Sure it's absurd...But we'd Never forget it