Joe Louis VS Deontay Wilder & The Rest of Today’s HWs

[sleazyfellow]

It's completely unfair to pit a depression level fighter, when 200 pounds was considered a large man to a guy from today. If Louis had updated training methods he'd be a bit more than 200 pounds. He'd have a chance with everyone he was a great body puncher as well people forget and his combinations are something rarely seen at heavyweight.

But just to mention his name and freaking deontay wilder is an insult to the great champion Joe Louis. Joe ran the division and fought everybody, all the names of his time. Deontay got his green belt and was content to stay in America and not fight Wladimir and huff his own **** to believe the bull**** of "hardest puncher in history" stuff. With names like Joe Louis, Frazier, Marciano, Foreman, Liston, Shavers, Mike Tyson on the list? If they had all fought the competition deontay fought they'd all have the same record too.

[Ascended]

It's completely unfair to pit a depression level fighter, when 200 pounds was considered a large man to a guy from today. If Louis had updated training methods he'd be a bit more than 200 pounds. He'd have a chance with everyone he was a great body puncher as well people forget and his combinations are something rarely seen at heavyweight.

But just to mention his name and freaking deontay wilder is an insult to the great champion Joe Louis. Joe ran the division and fought everybody, all the names of his time. Deontay got his green belt and was content to stay in America and not fight Wladimir and huff his own **** to believe the bull**** of "hardest puncher in history" stuff. With names like Joe Louis, Frazier, Marciano, Foreman, Liston, Shavers, and Mike Tyson on the list? If they had all fought the competition deontay fought they'd all have the same record too.

No, they wouldn't all have the same record Fool all of those guys you named were way too outdated to even compete in the '90s

Liston wasn't even as advanced as no names in the '80s

Foreman knew himself he needed to advance which is why he advanced multiple things when he returned in the '90s

Frazier came forward nonstop no guy using that style made in the 80s-90s advanced alot
his son advanced it alot, his son was destroyed by guys cause he was facing way more advanced people who not only used way more angles/tech/better defense/hit harder/they fought smarter to

Try to find someone in '90s who fought like a joe coming nonstop forward vs a known big hitter like he fought vs Foreman you won't find it, that should tell you the 70s were very basic and flawed to compared to '90s

Tyson's style was even used in the 90s by people who advanced

louis and Rock were obsolete no one even made mid-card fighting like they did in the 70s-'90s their whole era looks horrible I posed to matches showing this

Deon isn't the hardest HW hitter ever but he is top 30


You guys go off of names you aren't really looking at every single movement which is why I am always right

[PRINCEKOOL]

looks like novices compared to that 4th guy deon fought see how you shouldn't lie crazy idiot

Both fighters are in condition, and are not wasting much effort or energy 'Making unnecessary movements'.

That is what I call efficient boxing, 'Deontay Wilder seemingly has never shown a very high level of having this ability'.

Deontay Wilder is clearly skill for skill, not on Joe Louis's level as a boxer.

Wilder is fighting a opponent there who can hardly move, but even still? Wilder is all over the place 'Imagine if Wilder was fighting in this manner, during the era of 15 round fights'.

Imagine if he was living and having to adhere to the training methods and culture of those times? This alters things drastically when we debate mythical match ups.

The fact of the matter is 'Most modern day Heavyweights and fighters in all weight classes, would not be able to travel back in time and be competitive'.

This is because most fighters and Heavyweights in today's era, use modern day training methodologies 'Wilder has been seen using body building techniques, and is most likely incorporating all the nutritional and supplementation side of that culture. Wilder even with all of those training tools to his disposable, Wilder is barely weighing over 210 pounds'.

There would be no protein shakes, modern day supplementation or body building gyms in the 1930's and 40's. There would only be a extreme demand for a Heavyweight to have the endurance to fight in a 15 round fight 'During Joe Louis era'.

I rate Deontay Wilder very highly in this current era of Heavyweights 'But unfortunately he is not the type of fighter, who in my opinion has the ability to travel back in time and still be competitive in former Heavyweight era's'.

If fighters should as Joe Louis was to travel to the future 'Such a fighter is only going to get better, due to having more information and support during training'. If Louis wanted to incorporate more modern day training techniques he could, plus? Louis would now be fighting in 12 round Championship fights.

The parameters for a Heavyweight's today is different 'Past Heavyweights from what I can see, put more emphasis on endurance and boxing with more efficiency'.

I don't really entertain mythical match ups, because people do not really accurately consider all the factors which 'Make a boxing match'. If people are going to match fighters, then just like in today's era? Both fighters will need to go through training camps, and then we need to ask ourselves the question? Where and when is this fight taking place? In present day, or back in the past?'.

All of those sort of factors matter in today's modern day boxing, when fights are being negotiated 'So they should also be considered when talking about mythical match ups'.

Note: Once people start to look at boxing historically, and fights in this manner 'You began to realize real quick, that all those fighters you are mocking from past era's. Are a lot better, tougher than you believe with your current perception'.

Bernard Hopkins once called himself 'A old school fighter'. What Hopkins means by this, is that? Hopkins would be able to compete in any era 'Because how Hopkin's trained, from the majority of his career he used old school training methodologies'.

Hopkins compared to fighters like Canelo Alvarez, would also be less effected by 'The same day weigh in rule'. Hopkin's always stayed very close to his fighting weight, like a old school fighter.

The only most recent fighters who I believe could travel back in time, and still be competitive in any era are: Mike Tyson, Bernard Hopkins, Carl Froch, Joe Calzage, Lennox Lewis, Floyd Mayweather Junior, and there are more fighters but all of those fighters have a specific trait? For the majority of their careers, they used old school training methodologies.

The fact of the matter is, many Heavyweights in today's era do not operate in this fashion 'Including Deontay Wilder'.

So if Wilder travel's back in time, he is theoretically only going to get worst as a fighter 'In many different area's'.

And I am not just singling out Wilder 'Many of today's top Heavyweights, would all be worst fighters and they would struggle to be competitive if they traveled by in time'.

The reason why Heavyweight fighters from the 1960's and 70's are held in such a high regard by anyone knows boxing is because 'You could freeze those fighters in time, within their culture. And we could definitively envision them traveling back in time, and still being competitive. We could also envision them traveling to the future and still being competitive. This was also proven within reality by fighters such as Larry Holmes and George Foreman in the 90's, even way outside their peak still being competitive in one of the greatest Heavyweight boxing era's ever which was the 90's'.

Nobody sitting here today, can envision today's modern day Heavyweights fighters 'Traveling back in time and maintaining their form'. Deontay Wilder be a completely different fighters in the 1930's and 40's 'We can go through today's Heavyweight division, and it is similar most modern day Heavyweights. They are all pumped up by the times'.

Oleksandr Uysk another fighter who I rate extremely highly 'And I regard this man, as the most accomplished fighter in the entire sport'. Even Oleksandr Usyk would struggle to travel back in time and maintain his form 'Uysk is 220 pounds approximately, but he has had to pump himself up to that weight'.

Past great fighters from the 1970's who where in and around that weight 'Did not pump themselves up to those weights, because they competed in a era were they boiled down to the fighting weight'.

Oleksandr Uysk is not a bigger fighter naturally than Muhammad Ali, Ken Norton, Joe Fraizer, or George Foreman and the list goes on.

A big part of Tyson Fury's reputation is built up off his mythical head to head match up abilities 'But Fury is another fighters, who I don;t think will maintain his form if he was to travel back in time'.

Tyson Fury would give it a go, but he definitively would not be a 270 + pound Heavyweight during the 1930's 'Living and training during that time, and adhere to the training culture' etc.

[YGriffith]

looks like novices compared to that 4th guy deon fought how exactly is deon not past these guys? Are you blind this looks horrible you're crazy

How can anyone see this and spew the nonsense i hear and see daily is beyond me. These guys are not making it past the regional amateur level.

[Ascended]

Both fighters are in condition, and are not wasting much effort or energy 'Making unnecessary movements'.

That is what I call efficient boxing, 'Deontay Wilder seemingly has never shown a very high level of having this ability'.

Deontay Wilder is clearly skill for skill, not on Joe Louis's level as a boxer.

Wilder is fighting a opponent there who can hardly move, but even still? Wilder is all over the place 'Imagine if Wilder was fighting in this manner, during the era of 15 round fights'.

Imagine if he was living and having to adhere to the training methods and culture of those times? This alters things drastically when we debate mythical match ups.

The fact of the matter is 'Most modern day Heavyweights and fighters in all weight classes, would not be able to travel back in time and be competitive'.

This is because most fighters and Heavyweights in today's era, use modern day training methodologies 'Wilder has been seen using body building techniques, and is most likely incorporating all the nutritional and supplementation side of that culture. Wilder even with all of those training tools to his disposable, Wilder is barely weighing over 210 pounds'.

There would be no protein shakes, modern day supplementation or body building gyms in the 1930's and 40's. There would only be a extreme demand for a Heavyweight to have the endurance to fight in a 15 round fight 'During Joe Louis era'.

I rate Deontay Wilder very highly in this current era of Heavyweights 'But unfortunately he is not the type of fighter, who in my opinion has the ability to travel back in time and still be competitive in former Heavyweight era's'.

If fighters should as Joe Louis was to travel to the future 'Such a fighter is only going to get better, due to having more information and support during training'. If Louis wanted to incorporate more modern day training techniques he could, plus? Louis would now be fighting in 12 round Championship fights.

The parameters for a Heavyweight's today is different 'Past Heavyweights from what I can see, put more emphasis on endurance and boxing with more efficiency'.

I don't really entertain mythical match ups, because people do not really accurately consider all the factors which 'Make a boxing match'. If people are going to match fighters, then just like in today's era? Both fighters will need to go through training camps, and then we need to ask ourselves the question? Where and when is this fight taking place? In present day, or back in the past?'.

All of those sort of factors matter in today's modern day boxing, when fights are being negotiated 'So they should also be considered when talking about mythical match ups'.

Note: Once people start to look at boxing historically, and fights in this manner 'You began to realize real quick, that all those fighters you are mocking from past era's. Are a lot better, tougher than you believe with your current perception'.

Bernard Hopkins once called himself 'A old school fighter'. What Hopkins means by this, is that? Hopkins would be able to compete in any era 'Because how Hopkin's trained, from the majority of his career he used old school training methodologies'.

Hopkins compared to fighters like Canelo Alvarez, would also be less effected by 'The same day weigh in rule'. Hopkin's always stayed very close to his fighting weight, like a old school fighter.

The only most recent fighters who I believe could travel back in time, and still be competitive in any era are: Mike Tyson, Bernard Hopkins, Carl Froch, Joe Calzage, Lennox Lewis, Floyd Mayweather Junior, and there are more fighters but all of those fighters have a specific trait? For the majority of their careers, they used old school training methodologies.

The fact of the matter is, many Heavyweights in today's era do not operate in this fashion 'Including Deontay Wilder'.

So if Wilder travel's back in time, he is theoretically only going to get worst as a fighter 'In many different area's'.

And I am not just singling out Wilder 'Many of today's top Heavyweights, would all be worst fighters and they would struggle to be competitive if they traveled by in time'.

The reason why Heavyweight fighters from the 1960's and 70's are held in such a high regard by anyone knows boxing is because 'You could freeze those fighters in time, within their culture. And we could definitively envision them traveling back in time, and still being competitive. We could also envision them traveling to the future and still being competitive. This was also proven within reality by fighters such as Larry Holmes and George Foreman in the 90's, even way outside their peak still being competitive in one of the greatest Heavyweight boxing era's ever which was the 90's'.

Nobody sitting here today, can envision today's modern day Heavyweights fighters 'Traveling back in time and maintaining their form'. Deontay Wilder be a completely different fighters in the 1930's and 40's 'We can go through today's Heavyweight division, and it is similar most modern day Heavyweights. They are all pumped up by the times'.

Oleksandr Uysk another fighter who I rate extremely highly 'And I regard this man, as the most accomplished fighter in the entire sport'. Even Oleksandr Usyk would struggle to travel back in time and maintain his form 'Uysk is 220 pounds approximately, but he has had to pump himself up to that weight'.

Past great fighters from the 1970's who where in and around that weight 'Did not pump themselves up to those weights, because they competed in a era were they boiled down to the fighting weight'.

Oleksandr Uysk is not a bigger fighter naturally than Muhammad Ali, Ken Norton, Joe Fraizer, or George Foreman and the list goes on.

A big part of Tyson Fury's reputation is built up off his mythical head to head match up abilities 'But Fury is another fighters, who I don;t think will maintain his form if he was to travel back in time'.

Tyson Fury would give it a go, but he definitively would not be a 270 + pound Heavyweight during the 1930's 'Living and training during that time, and adhere to the training culture' etc.

That's deon 4th pro match,does Joe or baer use as many angles/defense/as fluid/punch tech/reflexes or fight as smart,the answer is no they look novice liike so what are you talking about Liar troll

Joe and everyone he fought looks horrible compared

[Ascended]

How can anyone see this and spew the nonsense i hear and see daily is beyond me. These guys are not making it past the regional amateur level.

This is the novices who nobody made midcard fighting like in 70s-90s looks very impressive to you doesn’t it

[Stuntman Mike]

Both fighters are in condition, and are not wasting much effort or energy 'Making unnecessary movements'.

That is what I call efficient boxing, 'Deontay Wilder seemingly has never shown a very high level of having this ability'.

Deontay Wilder is clearly skill for skill, not on Joe Louis's level as a boxer.

Wilder is fighting a opponent there who can hardly move, but even still? Wilder is all over the place 'Imagine if Wilder was fighting in this manner, during the era of 15 round fights'.

Imagine if he was living and having to adhere to the training methods and culture of those times? This alters things drastically when we debate mythical match ups.

The fact of the matter is 'Most modern day Heavyweights and fighters in all weight classes, would not be able to travel back in time and be competitive'.

This is because most fighters and Heavyweights in today's era, use modern day training methodologies 'Wilder has been seen using body building techniques, and is most likely incorporating all the nutritional and supplementation side of that culture. Wilder even with all of those training tools to his disposable, Wilder is barely weighing over 210 pounds'.

There would be no protein shakes, modern day supplementation or body building gyms in the 1930's and 40's. There would only be a extreme demand for a Heavyweight to have the endurance to fight in a 15 round fight 'During Joe Louis era'.

I rate Deontay Wilder very highly in this current era of Heavyweights 'But unfortunately he is not the type of fighter, who in my opinion has the ability to travel back in time and still be competitive in former Heavyweight era's'.

If fighters should as Joe Louis was to travel to the future 'Such a fighter is only going to get better, due to having more information and support during training'. If Louis wanted to incorporate more modern day training techniques he could, plus? Louis would now be fighting in 12 round Championship fights.

The parameters for a Heavyweight's today is different 'Past Heavyweights from what I can see, put more emphasis on endurance and boxing with more efficiency'.

I don't really entertain mythical match ups, because people do not really accurately consider all the factors which 'Make a boxing match'. If people are going to match fighters, then just like in today's era? Both fighters will need to go through training camps, and then we need to ask ourselves the question? Where and when is this fight taking place? In present day, or back in the past?'.

All of those sort of factors matter in today's modern day boxing, when fights are being negotiated 'So they should also be considered when talking about mythical match ups'.

Note: Once people start to look at boxing historically, and fights in this manner 'You began to realize real quick, that all those fighters you are mocking from past era's. Are a lot better, tougher than you believe with your current perception'.

Bernard Hopkins once called himself 'A old school fighter'. What Hopkins means by this, is that? Hopkins would be able to compete in any era 'Because how Hopkin's trained, from the majority of his career he used old school training methodologies'.

Hopkins compared to fighters like Canelo Alvarez, would also be less effected by 'The same day weigh in rule'. Hopkin's always stayed very close to his fighting weight, like a old school fighter.

The only most recent fighters who I believe could travel back in time, and still be competitive in any era are: Mike Tyson, Bernard Hopkins, Carl Froch, Joe Calzage, Lennox Lewis, Floyd Mayweather Junior, and there are more fighters but all of those fighters have a specific trait? For the majority of their careers, they used old school training methodologies.

The fact of the matter is, many Heavyweights in today's era do not operate in this fashion 'Including Deontay Wilder'.

So if Wilder travel's back in time, he is theoretically only going to get worst as a fighter 'In many different area's'.

And I am not just singling out Wilder 'Many of today's top Heavyweights, would all be worst fighters and they would struggle to be competitive if they traveled by in time'.

The reason why Heavyweight fighters from the 1960's and 70's are held in such a high regard by anyone knows boxing is because 'You could freeze those fighters in time, within their culture. And we could definitively envision them traveling back in time, and still being competitive. We could also envision them traveling to the future and still being competitive. This was also proven within reality by fighters such as Larry Holmes and George Foreman in the 90's, even way outside their peak still being competitive in one of the greatest Heavyweight boxing era's ever which was the 90's'.

Nobody sitting here today, can envision today's modern day Heavyweights fighters 'Traveling back in time and maintaining their form'. Deontay Wilder be a completely different fighters in the 1930's and 40's 'We can go through today's Heavyweight division, and it is similar most modern day Heavyweights. They are all pumped up by the times'.

Oleksandr Uysk another fighter who I rate extremely highly 'And I regard this man, as the most accomplished fighter in the entire sport'. Even Oleksandr Usyk would struggle to travel back in time and maintain his form 'Uysk is 220 pounds approximately, but he has had to pump himself up to that weight'.

Past great fighters from the 1970's who where in and around that weight 'Did not pump themselves up to those weights, because they competed in a era were they boiled down to the fighting weight'.

Oleksandr Uysk is not a bigger fighter naturally than Muhammad Ali, Ken Norton, Joe Fraizer, or George Foreman and the list goes on.

A big part of Tyson Fury's reputation is built up off his mythical head to head match up abilities 'But Fury is another fighters, who I don;t think will maintain his form if he was to travel back in time'.

Tyson Fury would give it a go, but he definitively would not be a 270 + pound Heavyweight during the 1930's 'Living and training during that time, and adhere to the training culture' etc.

What a post you're a good poster very educated stuff

I'm afraid you're wasting your time though because I have a feeling Ascended is possibly Deontay Wilders mother

[Stuntman Mike]

How about this guy anybody who used as many angles/defense/punch tech/as fluid//reflexes/fought as smart as this guy in the 10th match, anybody like this in the Louis era idiot would it be Jersey? What about rocky? Both still look horrible making novice like mistakes and didn’t have everything this guy had but Joe supposed had everything over Deon why doesn’t it exist in any match I post then crazy liar

I don't play fiction you need to provide video evidence to go against me or everything you say is a lie and invalid

You're such a pillock

What substance do you abuse to make yourself so brain dead and delusional ?

[Ascended]

You're such a pillock

What substance do you abuse to make yourself so brain dead and delusional ?

This is the novices who nobody made midcard fighting like in 70s-90s looks very impressive to you doesn’t it

[YGriffith]

This is the novices who nobody made midcard fighting like in 70s-90s looks very impressive to you doesn’t it

Poetry in motion as they say