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  • #11
    Originally posted by Boxing Logic View Post
    As a Loma fan, these are the only opponents I think mean anything to his legacy to beat, and if he doesn't beat 3 of them for every 1 that he loses to, I will consider his career as not having lived up to the hype at all. Really, the way he was hyped, he should be beating every single one of them without losing a single time, but I realize that would be bad for the business of boxing, and boxing is foremost a business, so maybe 3-to-1 ratio of wins-to-losses vs these guys is more equitable, altruistic, and philanthropic:

    J-Tay at 140, T-Lo at 135 or 140, T-Dav at any weight, Stevens at any weight, T-Craw at 147.

    And a few lesser options but still OK: D-Han at 135, 140, or 147, R-Garci at 135, 140, or 147, Inoue at 126, R-Progr at 140 or 147.

    Kambosos is fine for a tuneup fight to get the belts back, but Loma needs to get the win back vs Teofimo more than he needs belts. Belts mean nothing in boxing now. Another good tuneup is J-Ramir at 140 but it's not the same as beating J-Tay up there or even R-Prog.

    Opponents that mean nothing for Loma:

    Richard Commey
    G-Kamb
    O-Valde
    And it goes without saying so I dont even want to mention the name, but anyone who got knocked out by O-Valde at 130 is not a meaningful opponent for Loma at all.

    This is what's so screwed up about the sport is that I wasn't even picky. I didnt just say he has to fight this one guy. I gave top level credit for as many as five different names, and I even gave some credit for four more after that. So that means there are nine opponents Loma could fight over the next three years where he could improve his legacy at least a little bit in every single fight. And yet guess what? We may see none of those fights, or at most they will probably make two of them over the next three years. That's how much of a joke boxing is, that people pretend guys like Loma are legacy fighters, but they barely ever fight legacy fights! All talk no action! And you can bet even if they do make two, they won't both be the fights you want to see, just maybe 5th on the list or something like that.
    Man wtf you on about, fighting Taylor at 140 or 147 or Bud at 147 would be madness, he's WAY too small. 135 is the ceiling.
    Loma has an outstanding resume despite the Lopez loss.
    Needs to clean house at 135/130, I'd love to see him vs Shakur before he gets too old

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    • #12
      Originally posted by Boxing Logic View Post
      As a Loma fan, these are the only opponents I think mean anything to his legacy to beat, and if he doesn't beat 3 of them for every 1 that he loses to, I will consider his career as not having lived up to the hype at all. Really, the way he was hyped, he should be beating every single one of them without losing a single time, but I realize that would be bad for the business of boxing, and boxing is foremost a business, so maybe 3-to-1 ratio of wins-to-losses vs these guys is more equitable, altruistic, and philanthropic:

      J-Tay at 140, T-Lo at 135 or 140, T-Dav at any weight, Stevens at any weight, T-Craw at 147.

      And a few lesser options but still OK: D-Han at 135, 140, or 147, R-Garci at 135, 140, or 147, Inoue at 126, R-Progr at 140 or 147.

      Kambosos is fine for a tuneup fight to get the belts back, but Loma needs to get the win back vs Teofimo more than he needs belts. Belts mean nothing in boxing now. Another good tuneup is J-Ramir at 140 but it's not the same as beating J-Tay up there or even R-Prog.

      Opponents that mean nothing for Loma:

      Richard Commey
      G-Kamb
      O-Valde
      And it goes without saying so I dont even want to mention the name, but anyone who got knocked out by O-Valde at 130 is not a meaningful opponent for Loma at all.

      This is what's so screwed up about the sport is that I wasn't even picky. I didnt just say he has to fight this one guy. I gave top level credit for as many as five different names, and I even gave some credit for four more after that. So that means there are nine opponents Loma could fight over the next three years where he could improve his legacy at least a little bit in every single fight. And yet guess what? We may see none of those fights, or at most they will probably make two of them over the next three years. That's how much of a joke boxing is, that people pretend guys like Loma are legacy fighters, but they barely ever fight legacy fights! All talk no action! And you can bet even if they do make two, they won't both be the fights you want to see, just maybe 5th on the list or something like that.
      so by your boxing logic the only opponent for Crawford that means anything to his legacy would be to beat Golovkin
      Loma's already fighting bigger guys - taller, rangier and heavier and he doesnt put any weight restrictions and rehydration clauses like some redhaired dude, who else does that beside Loma

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      • #13
        Originally posted by Boxing Logic View Post
        As a Loma fan, these are the only opponents I think mean anything to his legacy to beat, and if he doesn't beat 3 of them for every 1 that he loses to, I will consider his career as not having lived up to the hype at all. Really, the way he was hyped, he should be beating every single one of them without losing a single time, but I realize that would be bad for the business of boxing, and boxing is foremost a business, so maybe 3-to-1 ratio of wins-to-losses vs these guys is more equitable, altruistic, and philanthropic:

        J-Tay at 140, T-Lo at 135 or 140, T-Dav at any weight, Stevens at any weight, T-Craw at 147.

        And a few lesser options but still OK: D-Han at 135, 140, or 147, R-Garci at 135, 140, or 147, Inoue at 126, R-Progr at 140 or 147.

        Kambosos is fine for a tuneup fight to get the belts back, but Loma needs to get the win back vs Teofimo more than he needs belts. Belts mean nothing in boxing now. Another good tuneup is J-Ramir at 140 but it's not the same as beating J-Tay up there or even R-Prog.
        I agree,beating Kambosos isn't a legacy fight for Loma... I don't think Lopez will ever rematch Loma unless Loma gets the belts back and Lopez is still with Top Rank... Even then, maybe he doesn't it... It definitely feels like Loma wants the rematch more than Lopez...

        The biggest fights are Davis and maybe Taylor I think...But I don't see Mayweather letting Tank fight Loma anytime in the future...

        Crawford is probably completely out of the picture... Loma seems very settled in his respective weight class... He doesn't seem to have any desire to pack on muscle in order to move up... The kicker is that I don't think Crawford is really THAT dangerous of a fight for Loma... Crawford is a mean, methodical type pf fighter but he doesn't have huge scary power... I wish Loma had the will and ability to move up though, because that would be the biggest fight in boxing bar none (assuming Loma was able to clear out 135 or at least beat Davis)...

        If Loma beat Davis and moved up and fought Taylor or Crawford... people wouldn't even care about Loma not fighting the rest of 135...And that would secure his name in the record books... As it is now, we'll have to be "grateful" if we get the Davis fight in 3 f**cking years.
        Last edited by darius45; 12-07-2021, 10:50 PM.

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        • #14
          Originally posted by Satir View Post

          so by your boxing logic the only opponent for Crawford that means anything to his legacy would be to beat Golovkin
          Loma's already fighting bigger guys - taller, rangier and heavier and he doesnt put any weight restrictions and rehydration clauses like some redhaired dude, who else does that beside Loma
          I think Loma fighting Crawford is more realistic than Crawford fighting GGG... I think Loma could hang with Crawford in the ring... I just don't think Loma has the power to keep Crawford honest... Rigondeaux went up in weight to fight Loma and was able to hang with Loma...

          Davis moving up to 147 to fight Crawford might actually be the more realistic option for a superfight...

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          • #15
            Commey gonna light this fool up

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            • #16
              loma is ranked # 1 by the wbo and wbc plus ranked # 2 by the ring in 135 so if gets past commey most likely he will get the shot.
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              • #17
                Originally posted by LAchargers373 View Post
                Commey gonna light this fool up
                with that comment it's like you chose to walk around with a flashing neon light saying "I'M A FOOL"

                lets hear why you think Commey is going to win and not your hatred for a participant in your entertainment
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                • #18
                  Originally posted by famicommander View Post
                  Kambosos vs Haney
                  Lomachenko/Commey winner vs Shakur Stevenson

                  Then the winners against each other, since obviously Tank ain't fighting any body in the top 5.
                  That looks like you're going easy on Haney - my eyes tell me Kambo fought out of his skin. I've seen reports that Lopez was fighting at way less than 100%. I say here that Kambo is a flash in the pan. Shakur and Oscar should fight at 130 otherwise food is being left on the table. Shakur should win that and then he can fight Kambosas as an intro to 135 (after Kambo loses to Haney) THEN he'll be ready to fight the champion. Where does Davis fit in? Nowhere unless his management let him off the leash.

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                  • #19
                    Originally posted by Adsy View Post

                    Man wtf you on about, fighting Taylor at 140 or 147 or Bud at 147 would be madness, he's WAY too small. 135 is the ceiling.
                    Loma has an outstanding resume despite the Lopez loss.
                    Needs to clean house at 135/130, I'd love to see him vs Shakur before he gets too old
                    Also what's with the weird way guy is writing their names out?

                    Is it really easier to say J-Tay and T-Lo than Taylor and Lopez. Sounds and looks stupid af.

                    R-Garci is a good one. Saves 1 entire letter but then you added his first initial and a dash...
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                    • #20
                      Originally posted by Boro View Post

                      If we're keeping it 100 the whole 35 division are hypejobs there isn't a standout talent amongst them, they prefer twitter fights to real ones (the "big" names) too many people are fans of boxers instead of boxing, hence why guys like Loma/Canelo/Bud/Spence (whomever tickles ya balls) end up "god status" when they're really just very good and not GREAT.
                      I'm all about keeping it real. But I can see quite a bit of separation between those 4 boxers.

                      Canelo has challeged himself the most. He kind of stunk it out at 155 but even before that he fought Trout Lara and Floyd. Since 155 he has been amazing.
                      Loma challenged himself. Fighting Gary Russell in his 2nd fight was very ballsy. People forget that Walters was a very feared KO artist.
                      Bud is in his 3rd division but imo falls short 'cos he resigned with Top Rank meaning fights with PBC couldn't be made last few years - he could coast for paydays.
                      Spence has challenged himself the least. 1 weight class and he is big enough for 154 if he wanted it. Beating Brook and Porter were good wins but I never rated Danny Garcia at WW.

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