Comments Thread For: Canelo Alvarez - WBC Approves Request To Next Challenge Makabu For Cruiserweight Title

[aboutfkntime]

Lol come on daggum, you know there is nothing Canelo can do, no one he can fight, for you to like him. He can go up to HW to fight Usyk and you still hate him.

In late 2015, when Canelo had not fought at the full 160lb limit yet and GGG was drooling for 154 fighters to come up and fight him, Canelo turned down GGG at the full 160, citing he is not a MW yet.

This is why initially, in 2015, he told GGG he would only fight him at 155lbs.

Now yes, 155lbs is technically MW, but Canelo was not ready to fight at the full limit. The fight ended up happening in 2017 at the full 160 limit after Canelo felt comfortable beating a terrible fighter in JCC Jr at 164lbs. He thought since he felt good at 164, he is ready to fight the best at 160lbs. He was confident. This is why his first fighter at the full MW limit was GGG.

As far as 175lbs goes, and Beterbiev, Bivol and Smith Jr, these are the fights I wanted to see Canelo take. I am disappointed they are not next.

It is clear that at this point, Canelo is just chasing accomplishments and attempting to “make history”.

While Makabu is hardly the worst fighter he could choose for May 2022, and CW is a new weight class for him or any Mexican fighter, I am not 100% thrilled with this match. I do think it is intriguing, could be dangerous, and appreciate that Canelo at least chose a champion and a top 3 fighter of their division to fight for the Cruiserweight WBC title.

He could have just waited and fought in some BS vacant title fight vs a completely worn out and shot to sh/t fighter like Pacquiao vs Margarito at 150lbs.

He could have fought the invisible and unknown WBA Cruiserweight champion Arsen Goulamirian, who is no where to be seen in The Ring’s top 10 Cruiserweights and has zero wins over a live body.

If this is the route Canelo is taking, he has to realize that his critics will also call for him to fight The Ring champion at Cruiserweight Mairis Breidis. They will want him to fight Dorticos too. As well as Okolie.

His critics don’t care about who he fights. You know damn well you don’t care if Canelo beats Beterbiev, Bivol and Smith Jr. You will still not be pleased with him. If that is the case, why throw out names he should fight and pretend to be satisfied if only he fights those names?

It would be a lot more respectable and consistent if you just come out and say you hate him and there is nothing he can do and no one he can beat to change that. Rather than this, throwing out names he should fight when you really don’t care who he fights. You just want to nitpick at his career and every fight.

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[Cypocryphy]

In late 2015, when Canelo had not fought at the full 160lb limit yet and GGG was drooling for 154 fighters to come up and fight him, Canelo turned down GGG at the full 160, citing he is not a MW yet.

This is why initially, in 2015, he told GGG he would only fight him at 155lbs.

Now yes, 155lbs is technically MW, but Canelo was not ready to fight at the full limit. The fight ended up happening in 2017 at the full 160 limit after Canelo felt comfortable beating a terrible fighter in JCC Jr at 164lbs. He thought since he felt good at 164, he is ready to fight the best at 160lbs. He was confident. This is why his first fighter at the full MW limit was GGG.

What are you talking about? Can someone help this guy make sense? He wasn't ready to fight at middleweight? What the **** are you talking about? I guess you did end up tying yourself into a pretzel.

He fought at middleweight TWICE for the middleweight TITLE. He was a middleweight. You do not get to change that because he weighed in slightly below the 160 pound limit. And what the **** does it matter when he rehydrated to 180 pounds? When he fought Trout he rehydrated to 172 pounds. Not a middleweight my ass. Then he skips middleweight to fight JCC jr. who had only lost to Martinez and a cheating Fonfara, who suffered an identity crises, thinking he was Connor McGregor. Not quite the bum that he's turned out to be, not then, not yet.

Then he get's his ass handed to him by GGG, with Adelaide granting mercy on Canelo and awarding him a pitiful draw. And then we all know what happens next. Canelo decides to train in Mexico this time, thinking that the drug testers won't bother to find him there since Mexico was supposed to be out of VADA's jurisdiction and the WADA lab in Mexico is corrupt as ****. But whoops!!! They found him, and he blames in on a piece of steak he at a month before he popped dirty. GTFOH!

As far as 175lbs goes, and Beterbiev, Bivol and Smith Jr, these are the fights I wanted to see Canelo take. I am disappointed they are not next.

He said he was willing to fight Beterbiev right before the Kovalev fight. He said that he would. But he doesn't. He fled the division like a little ***** because **** got real when Beterbiev wanted to fight him. Then we don't hear anything about his making an offer to Beterbiev until the beginning of 2021! Something that none have confirmed. Something that doesn't make any damn sense because if he had made that offer, he made it when Beterbiev was in camp for a unification match with THE NAIL. Moreover, why didn't he say that when he was directly asked? He said nothing about that contract after he had allegedly sent it.

And the point of that last paragraph is to give another example of full of **** Canelo is. He ducked GGG. He waited and waited until there was a ***** in the armor. Then he was ready. LMAO.

So stop with the bull**** already. You know that he should be fighting Bivol or Beterbiev. Really, he should be fighting Beterbiev. What I'm waiting for is to see Canelo step on the scale this coming spring and weigh in at 195 pounds with 8 percent body fat. I wonder how many teets he'll have ....

[Elastic Rec0il]

List your accomplishments in life. Let’s nitpick your resume and education. I want to see how much more accomplished you are than Canelo.

A bum, nobody, talking about “poor form” from one of the most accomplished fighters in the history of boxing. Canelo has fought everyone he has had to fight. From Mayweather to GGG, Jacobs, to Callum Smith, BJS, Plant. Any fighter worth anything from 154 to 168, Canelo has fought them.

Fans like you said he was ducking Trout, Lara, Jacobs, GGG, Callum Smith. Fans like you said he will drain Kovalev, not fight him at the full 175lb limit. Fans like you said he would either duck or weight drain Jacobs. He fought them all, at their weight class. But it’s “poor form” of him to not immediately fight Beterbiev.

For one I'm not a boxer so I'm free to criticise Canelo as I wish and secondly he is not one of the most accomplished fighters in history. ON PAPER his resume looks fantastic but in reality there are asterisks next to many of his fights and when facing good to elite opposition he has not looked like a killer - they've been close and controversial fights. Also lets not forget he got busted for PEDs and trains in a gym where AT LEAST 3-4 of his teammates have also tested dirty...

Mayweather absolutely schooled him. GGG BEAT him and the rematch was a very close fight - a draw was the correct outcome there, Jacobs (had a re-hydration clause slapped on him in a 160lbs title fight... why??) was a close fight with a draw being prevented by a point on two judges scorecards, Trout was quite a close fight not reflected in the judges scoring, Lara BEAT him but again bailed out by ridiculous judging which resulted in one judge being suspended and Kovalev was slapped with a 10lb rehydration clause for the first time in his career... expecting a 36 year old man to put on no more than 10lbs after weigh in for the first time in his career is really fair isn't it?

The rest were all domestic level fighters at best, Mexican bums, those with weak chins like Kirkland and khan, old fighters like Mosley or Baldomir and keep busy fights like the Yildrims of the world.

I find it hilarious how you and that kushking tart vehemently jump to Canelo's defence in an almost female like way lol. The term "fan girl" is used quite frequently on this site but that's how it come across - getting personal towards people who just hold an opinion against Canelo much like how an angry girlfriend would defend her man - you're giving off some strong female energy there lol.

[Elastic Rec0il]

your criticism of Canelo makes no sense at all

I sense butthurt fanboy, and I'm pretty sure I know why
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It does make sense, I've mentioned many times why I don't like Canelo - yes he is a skillfull fighter with a high boxing IQ but for all the antics he pulls, the failed PED tests, the BS rhetoric him and Reynoso try to push onto fight fans, the way he targets opposition... I just can't support him and don't think he should be considered in P4P discussions.

Just look at how they've targeted Makabu - this is a small cruiserweight who has been inactive for a long period. The guy routinely weighs in at well under 200lbs and has an awful defence; watch any highlights of Makabu and you'll see him getting touched up with incredible ease. The guy has no head movement either so he's a sitting target for Canelo. Beterbiev is like Pernell Whitiker in comparison to Makabu and that is saying something because Beterbiev has poor movement himself but they didn't want any of him because Beterbiev has the power to HURT Canelo especially to the body - no amount of head movement was going to protect Canelo from them potentially fight ending body shots!

[-Kev-]

What are you talking about? Can someone help this guy make sense? He wasn't ready to fight at middleweight? What the **** are you talking about? I guess you did end up tying yourself into a pretzel.

He fought at middleweight TWICE for the middleweight TITLE. He was a middleweight. You do not get to change that because he weighed in slightly below the 160 pound limit. And what the **** does it matter when he rehydrated to 180 pounds? When he fought Trout he rehydrated to 172 pounds. Not a middleweight my ass. Then he skips middleweight to fight JCC jr. who had only lost to Martinez and a cheating Fonfara, who suffered an identity crises, thinking he was Connor McGregor. Not quite the bum that he's turned out to be, not then, not yet.

Then he get's his ass handed to him by GGG, with Adelaide granting mercy on Canelo and awarding him a pitiful draw. And then we all know what happens next. Canelo decides to train in Mexico this time, thinking that the drug testers won't bother to find him there since Mexico was supposed to be out of VADA's jurisdiction and the WADA lab in Mexico is corrupt as ****. But whoops!!! They found him, and he blames in on a piece of steak he at a month before he popped dirty. GTFOH!



He said he was willing to fight Beterbiev right before the Kovalev fight. He said that he would. But he doesn't. He fled the division like a little ***** because **** got real when Beterbiev wanted to fight him. Then we don't hear anything about his making an offer to Beterbiev until the beginning of 2021! Something that none have confirmed. Something that doesn't make any damn sense because if he had made that offer, he made it when Beterbiev was in camp for a unification match with THE NAIL. Moreover, why didn't he say that when he was directly asked? He said nothing about that contract after he had allegedly sent it.

And the point of that last paragraph is to give another example of full of **** Canelo is. He ducked GGG. He waited and waited until there was a ***** in the armor. Then he was ready. LMAO.

So stop with the bull**** already. You know that he should be fighting Bivol or Beterbiev. Really, he should be fighting Beterbiev. What I'm waiting for is to see Canelo step on the scale this coming spring and weigh in at 195 pounds with 8 percent body fat. I wonder how many teets he'll have ....

Are you illiterate? Or suffer from dyslexia? Surely, English is not your first/only language?

[Elastic Rec0il]

37 going on 38 and still hasn't unified with Bivol. And that's Canelo's fault, how?

Beterbiev, Bivol, Charlo, Benavidez, they're all the same. Take on soft challenges, fight after fight, never willing to fight each other, never willing to do anything. Canelo is leaving those divisions for almost a year, and I guarantee you these boxers will not fight each other and everyone will still be crying and moaning about Canelo come fall of '22 when he returns to the 68-75 divisions.

I agree with you the rest aint fighting each other which has nothing to do with Canelo but to use so many of these terms like "daring to be great" "achieving greatness" P4P number 1 surely you must clear out all comers in your division before moving up and doing the same there instead of going up and down at will to target low lying fruit and another title belt. At least fighters like Chocalatito and Andre Ward when they were considered P4P number 1's they either beat all dominant opposition or unified with nothing left to achieve due to politics before moving up in weight.

[-Kev-]

that post is too good for this website

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I still am shocked at how ****** some of these people are, and how poor their reading comprehension is. It does not matter if I type in plain English. They twist and turn what is actually typed out and just pretend to be ******.

That’s all it is, that’s the only explanation I can think of. These posters like cypowhatever just pretend to be dumb, pretend to not understand what they read. It has to be that they are pretending. Otherwise, I can’t imagine someone who’s native language is English, really being THAT ****** and having such poor comprehension skills. Then again, if he is from the US, I don’t blame him. I blame the US’s poor schooling which ranks among the worst, every year, of any developed country. If he is from Europe, then I would be even more in shock of his lack of comprehension. Europe as a whole, has better schooling than North America.

[-Kev-]

immediately? its been 2 years since he fought kovalev. 2 and a half when he fights makuba, and he used the "im not a 175 pounder" excuse not to fight beterbiev, yet now he's fighting someone bigger than beterbiev so that just proves he made all that up so the heat wouldnt be on him to fight beterbiev. thats lame. stop pretending like he's taking on all challengers. hes not. hes still fighting good fighters, but only if they meet his standards, and you cant play the beterbiev is not popular card cause no one cared about yildram, smith, or saunders. they weren't draws. canelo going fo all the belts! oh ya? beterbiev already has 2...oh well

Like I said, I would prefer Canelo vs Smith, Bivol and Beterbiev at 175lbs.

I am not thrilled with Canelo vs Makabu. As risky as that sounds, and as great an accomplishment as it would be if he wins, it does not give me the same excitement as Canelo vs Beterbiev and Bivol.

I think Canelo has fought everyone that his critics asked him to fight, when they wanted him to fight them, and where they wanted him to fight them. Barring Beterbiev/Bivol at 175lbs.

In every gutsy top pro boxer’s career, there comes a time where the boxer stops fulfilling all of his critics demands and starts just enjoying their career and fighting who ever they want. It’s a shame if Canelo does not fight Beterbiev/Bivol but I get it. He fought all the top guys from 154 to 168. He fought #2 ranked 175 pounder Kovalev in what was just a title grab. #3 ranked MW Plant was just a title grab to unify. He is fighting #2 ranked cruiser Makabu in a title grab. Canelo’s “soft touches” are top 3 fighters. That’s how high the expectations are from his critics.

Canelo has taken more risks from age 20 to age 30, than most boxers in history. The risks Canelo has taken are more in line with old school fighters, rather than the new generation.

While Canelo is taking risks, and fighting the #2 Ring rated cruiserweight in what his critics will surely call a “gimme fight”, literally almost nobody else is taking similar risks, barring Oleksandr Usyk.

Instead of praising fighters like Canelo and Usyk, critics praise other fighters who are doing fck all in their career.

Hyping up Beterbiev for Canelo, I get it, I want that fight too. That was the fight I wanted to see for May 2022. I would actually loved that fight any time this year.

But critics/writers hyping up Benavidez for Canelo, that’s just nonsense. A guy who fights with his chin hanging and lowers his arms, breathes through the mouth before even getting half way through the fight. He wins basically due to fighting guys that are put in there for him to beat by KO. Gavril already exposed him. I am not sure why critics think Benavidez would be anything more than a highlight reel KO for Canelo.

But with all that said, isn’t time to stop pretending to care who Canelo fights? You do not like him, you have made that clear in the past decade. Maybe you rooted for him when he fought Mayweather? Who you hate more than Canelo. But why keep pretending you care? Or that Canelo fighting whoever you ask him to, will make you like him? You do not need to make believe you would respect Canelo if he fights Beterbiev, Breidis, and Usyk, with no catchweights. He has already fought a bunch of guys you said he would never fight. Here we are fast forward to November 2021, and you still demand new names for him to fight. As if you will ever be satisfied.

Just be honest and say you don’t like him and never will, no matter who he fights. Catchweight or not. Beterbiev at 175, or Usyk at HW, or Tyson Fury at HW. You will never like Canelo or compliment him or credit him for any accomplishments or wins. Just stop listing names he needs to fight next in order to prove himself to you, when you have no intentions of giving him any amount of credit if he fights who you ask him to fight.

[El_Maldito_Rey]

I agree with you the rest aint fighting each other which has nothing to do with Canelo but to use so many of these terms like "daring to be great" "achieving greatness" P4P number 1 surely you must clear out all comers in your division before moving up and doing the same there instead of going up and down at will to target low lying fruit and another title belt. At least fighters like Chocalatito and Andre Ward when they were considered P4P number 1's they either beat all dominant opposition or unified with nothing left to achieve due to politics before moving up in weight.

Andre Ward never fought Calzaghe, Bivol or Beterbiev. So your point is moot.

[El_Maldito_Rey]

5 division chump. When was the last time he defended a title?

Um his last fight, with Plant, when he defended his titles.