Why do many say "everyone would get destroyed at 168 by prime RJJ"?

[kushking]

Canelo is pretty fast, but Roy was warp speed, and he was an unbelievable puncher, unorthodox, he was just a "different" athlete. I think it is difficult to separate yourself athletically in elite sport, but Roy did.

On top of that he could really box/fight. In his prime, everything Roy did was pretty tight, crisp, I think if you were nitpicking you'd say his defence was over reliant on reflexes and speed. He might not be as fundamentally sound as say Floyd or some other past greats but he still had enough in those areas, and he could literally knock his opponent out in any second of any round and I think that is the thing that made him so difficult to fight, he punched too hard to take liberties with.

I am going to give Canelo the benefit of the doubt and say he could win some of the middle rounds, but I think it's a wide decision where Canelo's face gets busted up. Roy was surreal in his prime.

For the record I think he'd do the same to the likes of Calzaghe, Ward, etc.

I couldn't see any of those guys taking more than 4 rounds off him.

I think Roy's steep decline has made him somewhat underrated, but I rate his prime as high as any fighter that lived. His training as a child/teenager seemed closer to torcher than training, I question his fathers parenting, but what I'll give him, is he made a ridiculous fighting machine.

Yeah but as I keep saying, Roy wasn't near his prime til he went to Lhw,& by the age most fighters enter prime Roy couldn't even make smw anymore.

I get the impression that Roy is being elevated at smw based on nostalgia from his prime at lhw?

because he only faced 1 elite fighter at smw,how can you be so sure he'd dominate the atg smws like Ward & now Canelo based off Canelo & Ward fighting almost everyone at smw & RJJ based off 1 elite win at smw?(are you saying Toney was that good that beating him makes RJJ be able to dominate Canelo? Or is it just because Roy was way bigger naturally?)

[fourtheboys96]

At 168lbs, RJJ's atheleticism, hand and foot speed and power is too much for any skilled 168lber to overcome.

IMO, he'll just toy with Canelo at that weight.

[tritium_arma]

Because prime Roy was on the special Ripped Fuel goodness.

[kushking]

At 168lbs, RJJ's atheleticism, hand and foot speed and power is too much for any skilled 168lber to overcome.

IMO, he'll just toy with Canelo at that weight.

I'm not seeing it. Just look at how often Toney is able to hit RJJ clean to the gut in the vid above. Imagine Canelo instead of Toney(Canelos faster,better ring Iq,better defense,far more agile than Toney at smw)

Roy left himself wide open relying on athleticism way too much too often, & Canelo does the arms down thing like Roy sometimes too,but Roy just would stick out his chin & weave like a cobra til he got caught by Taylor & lights out,

Roy was a "sloppy slick"(like a drunken master style) swinging fighter with so much volume & speed that it would win him rds v Toney(when they landed it would be like 1 in 4 or 5(about 20- 25%)

,Toney was a beast though,but he was too orthodox for Roy to be troubled.

(because of Roys handspeed it made him start throwing all kinds of looping shots from every angle which often was sloppy even if it worked,he had bad fundamentals but he created his own style of punches still being very telegraphed but also accurate enough anyways off speed some would land out of dozens in a row he'd throw)

(like a faster,bigger,better, slicker Porter,he would make fights akward imo) but his speed bailed him out & made it work) at smw & beyond even,he liked to do very unorthodox techniques

[sicko]

Prime Roy Picks Canelo Apart worse than Mayweather did...

Ignorance is no excuse in 2021 when it is things like Google and Youtube that allow you to do your own research for FREE. It is just the Fanboy in People that won't allow them to use any Logic and ignore all Facts. Fan of Canelo by the way, he is currently the P4P King No Doubt but it is certain matchups that would/will always trouble him. Doesn't get any slicker than a Prime Roy Jones Jr

[kushking]

Prime Roy Picks Canelo Apart worse than Mayweather did...

Ignorance is no excuse in 2021 when it is things like Google and Youtube that allow you to do your own research for FREE. It is just the Fanboy in People that won't allow them to use any Logic and ignore all Facts. Fan of Canelo by the way, he is currently the P4P King No Doubt but it is certain matchups that would/will always trouble him. Doesn't get any slicker than a Prime Roy Jones Jr

This kind of ignorant comment is why I made this thread. I just posted video of the single elite fight Roy had at smw(outside his prime because he wasn't able to make smw in his prime & was not as good at smw)

And the video should show beyond a doubt just how much nostalgia causes people to overrate something or someone. Roy Jones was the furthest thing from this unbeatable killing machine you pretend.

And how many times do I gotta keep saying it for it to stick,ROY JONES JR WAS NOT IN HIS PRIME AT SMW,& slickness doesn't win fights in itself & especially in Roys case can be your downfall.

And Floyd beating 23 yr canelo at 152 does not factor in to what Roy would face in his prime at smw (you say Roy in his prime despite him not making 168 in his prime & then in same breathe bring up Floyd outpointing Canelo way outside his prime)

[kushking]

All I'm saying is both Ward & Canelo Would go toe to toe with Roy in his smw version, you can't cherrypick the lhw version of Roy & not his opponents at their best either.

Roy was the definition of a prodigy & a phenom,but he was far from unbeatable (no fighter is)

[sicko]

This kind of ignorant comment is why I made this thread. I just posted video of the single elite fight Roy had at smw(outside his prime because he wasn't able to make smw in his prime & was not as good at smw)

And the video should show beyond a doubt just how much nostalgia causes people to overrate something or someone. Roy Jones was the furthest thing from this unbeatable killing machine you pretend.

[B]And how many times do I gotta keep saying it for it to stick,ROY JONES JR WAS NOT IN HIS PRIME AT SMW[/B],& slickness doesn't win fights in itself & especially in Roys case can be your downfall.

And Floyd beating 23 yr canelo at 152 does not factor in to what Roy would face in his prime at smw (you say Roy in his prime despite him not making 168 in his prime & then in same breathe bring up Floyd outpointing Canelo way outside his prime)

I mean You're entitled your opinion even tho it is a sh^t one but at the end of the day the forum is for us to post out takes and opinion on boxing...however none of our Opinions are "FACTS" but in my "Factual Opinion" I think Roy Jones Jr at 168 picks Canelo Part lol

I LIVED though Roy Jones Jr ERA, was a huge James Toney fan and I never even Liked Roy Jones Jr. but it is absolutely hilarious when fans try to go back and Critique Legends all just to hype up a current fighter whom they just so happen to be a fan of

By the way you're WRONG about Roy Jones Jr not being in his PRIME at 168...how is that so when his Pro Debut was in 89 after the 88 Olympics and if I remember Correctly he fought James Toney in 94' I think...so what Roy Jones Jr was past his Prime just 5 years into his Pro Career? What? Roy wasn't in his Prime at Light Heavyweight (175), not sure if you have your Weight Classes Mixed Up or what

[Boxing fan1981]

I’m a Roy fan. People fall in love with the flashy stuff he did against the more bum like fighters. I know I did. It was fun to watch.

Having said that, historically most will probably always rate him #1 at 168, mostly because of that flashy athletic stuff, but he’ll get passed in accomplishments. I think when Canelo retires, he’ll be almost twice as decorated and accomplished and I don’t think we’ve seen the end of Canelo at 175 or heavier.

With Canelo, I feel like he’s such a living legend that it wouldn’t surprise me if he did some crazy living legend type ****… like fight at Cruiserweight or something like become unisputed at 175.

[eco1]

RJJ Would KO Clnelo and his mom and fans with one arm tied to his back. F ing casuals!