Miguel Cotto: "Pacquiao Never Fought a Fighter Like Me"

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  • TOBYLEE1
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    #111
    Originally posted by Pullcounter
    false. pac is the better fighter.



    nope. EM was the bigger fighter in the first fight that's why he was able to bully pac around. in the 2nd and 3rd fights pac was the bigger guy and was able to bully EM around.


    agreed, but not because of the reason you give.


    false. cotto is a robot. but cotto is too big for pac.


    false. if pac wins its because cotto coudln't KO pac or hurt pac to the body, in which case cotto will gas and pac will dominate.

    Not trying to sound like a favor Cotto, but you mention he is a robot? The only fighter he didn't go to the body was Margo cause his head was so easy to hit we all know how that ended(until they prove his gloves were loaded Margo did make Cotto quit). Cotto hits on the body on counters and combos, just watch him in the Mosley fight and see yourself. As for being gassed is what everybody says when he starts moving backwards.

    He still punches and as you see in the Mosley and Clottey fight they stopped comming foward cause they didn't want to get countered no more. See it yourself, why you think if that was the case they didn't pressure and threw more punches. Then the same thing can be said about Clottey and Mosley that they gassed out. Not a good analogy from you

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    • VERSION1 (V1)
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      #112
      Originally posted by mangler
      both guys bring a style matchup neither has really faced before. While it lasts, it'll be fun to watch.
      cosign........

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      • sharkeyez
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        #113
        It think a lot people are going to be surprised when this fight happens. There is a huge factor that seems so minor everyone including the experts are overlooking. Weight. It will play a huge roll in the preparation of each of the fighters. I think Pac's body might not respond so well to weight this time around.

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          #114
          Originally posted by gotkayoed
          im just wondering if what you two are saying that cotto started his career at 106lbs. is true or not. i checked the link below which says that cotto fought at lightweight and light welterweight in his amateur days and nowhere near the 106lbs. that you want us to believe.



          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miguel_Cotto
          I will be more than glad to answer.

          That site you posted is actually refering to Cotto's international amateur competition not his early local amateur career.

          Please see the site below where it clearly say that Ivan Calderon fought Cotto at 106 (light flyweight division in amateur is 106 limit not 108 like in pro)

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iv%C3%A...%C3%B3n_(boxer)

          Now that you have the information, our remarks, without taking nothing away from Pacquiao, is that Pullcounter and others keep on bringing up the former 106 lbs for this fight like if Cotto is actually facing a 106lb today and should retire if he cant beat him.

          The fact is that the 106 lbs FOR BOTH FIGHTERS, is in their past, we all concede that Cotto will be heavier and will have more power, but according to the experts, those will be the only advantage that Cotto will have in this fight because Pacman is faster, more movement, stamina and even a better corner, just to mention some. Therefore the playing field will be leveled.

          So why should Cotto retire if he losses to the p4p king when that p4p king has "more advantages" coming in to this fight than him?

          According to Pullcounter, the answer to that question is because he was a former 106 lbs years ago

          Even Roach said on this website (video from Roach posted yesterday from the press conference at Yankee Stadium) that Pacquiao was having trouble making weight which was making his life miserable and now he can fight at his natural weight meaning over 140 and that Pacman will be close to the 148 mark come fight night.

          I hope this helps you understand where we are coming from and our point of view.
          Last edited by prsi; 09-11-2009, 12:19 PM.

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            #115
            Originally posted by prsi
            I will be more than glad to answer.

            That site you posted is actually refering to Cotto's international amateur competition not his early local amateur career.

            Please see the site below where it clearly say that Ivan Calderon fought Cotto at 106 (light flyweight division in amateur is 106 limit not 108 like in pro)

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iv%C3%A...%C3%B3n_(boxer)

            Now that you have the information, our remarks, without taking nothing away from Pacquiao, is that Pullcounter and others keep on bringing up the former 106 lbs for this fight like if Cotto is actually facing a 106lb today and should retire if he cant beat him.

            The fact is that the 106 lbs FOR BOTH FIGHTERS, is in their past, we all concede that Cotto will be heavier and will have more power, but according to the experts, those will be the only advantage that Cotto will have in this fight because Pacman is faster, more movement, stamina and even a better corner, just to mention some. Therefore the playing field will be leveled.

            So why should Cotto retire if he losses to the p4p king when that p4p king has "more advantages" coming in to this fight than him?

            According to Pullcounter, the answer to that question is because he was a former 106 lbs years ago

            Even Roach said on this website (video from Roach posted yesterday from the press conference at Yankee Stadium) that Pacquiao was having trouble making weight which was making his life miserable and now he can fight at his natural weight meaning over 140 and that Pacman will be close to the 148 mark come fight night.

            I hope this helps you understand where we are coming from and our point of view.
            i agree with you in some point of your argument but have you not considered that pac started his pro career at 106lbs. (or 108lbs.) and cotto at 140lbs.?that's a big difference in size which cotto is definitely has the advantage.size does matter in boxing besides, cotto is a world class boxer and in his prime. with this said, cotto has the advantage to defeat pac on nov. 14 though i give pac a chance too.

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              #116
              Originally posted by Ch@mpBox@PR
              STFU ***** better or not, he said a fighter like me meaning style and size difference.

              YOu Sr are a ****ing hater to the fullest!!!!

              And if yiu think he wont do better than what DLH, and barrera did you are flat out out of your mind.

              Matter of fact Cotto will out perform those 4 you mention!!!!!!!
              Oh common', you're just Cotto blind fanatic and will believes everyting in the desert.

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              • Machingo69
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                #117
                Originally posted by PAC-BOY
                Cotto has never fought a fighter like Pacquiao! And may never fight again after he does....

                Margarito = Destroyed
                Jennings = BUM
                Clottey = Barley or Gift
                Pacquiao = HaHaHaHaHa yeah, OK!
                Sorry... You forgot to mention Oktay Urkal,Quintana, Gomez, Corley, Judah, Mosley and he was beating Margarito till he got plastered from a cheating bum. The only notable fights that ur little prickaquiao has fought is unknown David Diaz, a mini marquez, overrated Hatton and old ass Delahoya.

                So you can now go go go **** yourself you Pacquiao kock suckin looser... hahahahahaha.......

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                • uncle pauly
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                  #118
                  True story.
                  This is going to be a taxing fight for Pacquiao. Hope he's hungry!!!

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                  • DminusCotto007
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                    #119
                    For all U haterz

                    This is my first post ever....I would like to say to all of u that think cotto goin to get ko is a joke. First he has seen and felt way more much power than manny brings to the table and never been knock out. He quit cause he couldnt knock mar cheat ass out and knew he was losing on the cards after he took the knees, which is pure genius... He smart than pac he more accurate with his punches can pac man take punishment cause cotto can and he will get his in either by hooks or just the jab is damaging... The boxing IQ clearly favors cotto cant wait.....FLoyd Next!!!!!!!!!!!!

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                    • Pullcounter
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                      #120
                      Originally posted by prsi
                      So why should Cotto retire if he losses to the p4p king when that p4p king has "more advantages" coming in to this fight than him?

                      According to Pullcounter, the answer to that question is because he was a former 106 lbs years ago

                      Even Roach said on this website (video from Roach posted yesterday from the press conference at Yankee Stadium) that Pacquiao was having trouble making weight which was making his life miserable and now he can fight at his natural weight meaning over 140 and that Pacman will be close to the 148 mark come fight night.

                      I hope this helps you understand where we are coming from and our point of view.
                      roach only said that because he wanted to let everyone know that a boxer should fight in a weight division that is closer to his own walk around weight.

                      if you apply this principle to cotto, then cotto should be fight at middlweight.

                      and if a middleweight can't KO a welterweight, that middleweight should retire, especially a welterweight that used to be a 106 lber.

                      Originally posted by TOBYLEE1
                      Not trying to sound like a favor Cotto, but you mention he is a robot?
                      yes, cotto is a robot. he has no emotion, even when he quit, he had no emotion. also cotto is more or less predictable.

                      The only fighter he didn't go to the body was Margo cause his head was so easy to hit we all know how that ended(until they prove his gloves were loaded Margo did make Cotto quit). Cotto hits on the body on counters and combos,
                      sure...

                      just watch him in the Mosley fight and see yourself.
                      ok, later

                      As for being gassed is what everybody says when he starts moving backwards.
                      yes

                      He still punches
                      just to keep the opponent away. if he can't set his feet, he can't get power on it. see margo fight.

                      and as you see in the Mosley and Clottey fight they stopped comming foward cause they didn't want to get countered no more.
                      false.

                      mosley never stopped fighting.

                      clottey stopped fighting cause he gased.

                      See it yourself, why you think if that was the case they didn't pressure and threw more punches.
                      see above.

                      Then the same thing can be said about Clottey and Mosley that they gassed out.
                      clottey gased. mosley didn't.
                      Not a good analogy from you
                      its a good analogy.

                      Originally posted by TOBYLEE1
                      Makes no sense what you just wrote,
                      makes perfect sense

                      it you follow the thread my question has been if the fighters would had faced Cotto instead of Pac would had beat Cotto. Not if there were at the same weight but as it actually happened. (And I'm not saying a prime DelaHoya which Manny didn't fight, but I do agree that was Delahoya's fault on his training). No what Ifs, how in fact they fought at the time it took place
                      obviously cotto is way too big for any of them (except dlh), that's why I had to go hypothetical.

                      Originally posted by crillz
                      false. pac is the better fighter.

                      is he? break it down homie tell me, why because of the weight divisions? he has accomplished more but I'm talking about the actual physical part of fighting not what he used his fighting to gain, as a fighter Cotto has shown better tools in fights in terms of defense and offense



                      nope. EM was the bigger fighter in the first fight that's why he was able to bully pac around. in the 2nd and 3rd fights pac was the bigger guy and was able to bully EM around.


                      oh so the fact that Erik was completely out boxed by Zahir Raheem had nothing to do with it? face it Erik Morales was not the same fighter, he was truly shot for the 3rd one, it didn't even look like Erik man that **** was sad to watch


                      agreed, but not because of the reason you give.


                      it is because he can box his socks off just Erik did and not get hit s much. Cottio has a wonderful defense, of course against a plaster wrapped fist or a headbutt the damage will accumulate and blood will pour but all other times Cotto managed to dodge the tide showing fight winning defense against Shane Mosley out ****ing him for the 1st 6 rounds then out boxing him for the other 6.


                      false. cotto is a robot. but cotto is too big for pac.


                      a robot? dogz Cotto is not a robot, he can fight yo he ain't just some programmed machine that can only move with Arum's hand up his ass ya dig the difference will show when they square off, Manny's body is his weakness, it's stronger now but you know what he is facing his strongest opponent ever amatuer or pro so you know what it evens out, Cotto will destroy him to the body



                      false. if pac wins its because cotto coudln't KO pac or hurt pac to the body, in which case cotto will gas and pac will dominate.


                      nah man the body isn't Cotto's only option, Manny is succeptable to counter shots, all you need is a strong jab, good defensive skills and a good right hand, Cotto is good with both hands and has all those features. you need to learn about Cotto if you really think the body is his ONLY source of winning this fight
                      quote this up and i'll respond.

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