Miguel Cotto: "Pacquiao Never Fought a Fighter Like Me"

[prsi]

i agree with you in some point of your argument but have you not considered that pac started his pro career at 106lbs. (or 108lbs.) and cotto at 140lbs.?.

Yes, i have considered that, and i even said in my post "without taking nothing away from Pacman". I do beleive it is a great acomplishment. But the former 106lbs theory used b Pullcounter applies to both and in their past. One spent his youth representing his country as proffessional and the other as a world wide recognized amateur, props to both for almost 8 years. Different path that will collide on Nov. 14

that's a big difference in size which cotto is definitely has the advantage.size does matter in boxing besides, cotto is a world class boxer and in his prime. with this said, cotto has the advantage to defeat pac on nov. 14 though i give pac a chance too.

I never said that size does not matter and I even said size and power will be advantage for Cotto, but speed, stamina, movement and a better corner also matters and these advantages are on Pacquiao side. Not only i agree with you about the size and power, but it seems that we both will have to disagree with Pacquiao because a thread just came out where Pacman say's "Cotto size don't matter, he's not fast".
I truely beleive that size does matter even if Pacman is faster. His speed will level the advantage of the size but it definitley matters

Your opinion is that Cotto has the advantage and that you give Pacman a chance. I beleive that also but at the same time i beleive that the playing field is leveled and at this moment we are part of a minority, because in all polls and expert analysis Pacman is the favorite for this fight.

[prsi]

roach only said that because he wanted to let everyone know that a boxer should fight in a weight division that is closer to his own walk around weight.

if you apply this principle to cotto, then cotto should be fight at middlweight.

and if a middleweight can't KO a welterweight, that middleweight should retire, especially a welterweight that used to be a 106 lber.

I thought I had seen it all from you, now you are dis*****g the exact word that Roach said about Pacman having trouble to make weight in the past. Watch the video again and you will here it from Raoch own words, but i guess that will probably not be enough for you. The reason that Pacman is fighting at JWW and WW is because he CAN NOT make the 135 mark no more. It is Roach opinion and opinion only that a fighter should fight at their own walk around weight to avoid sacrifices to their bodies.

This will not be the 1st time that in a same weight class a fighter has a weight advantage. Moset recent example is Cotto himself. Every body knows that Clottey comes in on fight night at 170 or more while Cotto comes in at max 160 and Cotto still won , close but won. On your book Clottey should retire because he couldn't ko Cotto with 10lbs advantage.

On the "used to be 106 lbs", GET OVER IT. THE EXCUSE IT IS WORN OUT AND WEAK!!! IT APPLIES TO BOTH BOXERS!!!!
Cotto was a 106 lber also back when he was an amateur, but he spent close to 8 years and build up his body as a world wide recognized amateur boxer.

Props to Pacman that he did it in pro spendig the 1st 6 years of his career fighting 95% of his fight in the Phillipines.

[Dave Rado]

Manny is succeptable to counter shots, all you need is a strong jab, good defensive skills and a good right hand, Cotto is good with both hands and has all those features. you need to learn about Cotto if you really think the body is his ONLY source of winning this fight

I thought you were being objective until I got to that bit. Cotto does not have a great defence! In fact, his defence is his biggest weakness. It isn't absolutely terrible but it's far from great. He's very susceptible to the uppercut.

[Dave Rado]

when was the last time pac-man had to dig deep?? Marquez? he lost!!

Judge: Duane Ford 115-112 Pacquiao
Judge: Jerry Roth 112-115 Marquez
Judge: Tom Miller 114-113 Pacquiao

Winner by split decision: Pacquiao

Although the majority of boxing experts scored it very narrowly to Marquez, they all had it extremely close, mostly by a single point margin; and no extremely close fight can ever be called a robbery. The scoring in boxing is subjective by definition, so unless it's a robbery, which this wasn't, to not accept the official verdict is just sour g****s. Pacquiao won. Get over it.

[Dave Rado]

im just wondering if what you two are saying that cotto started his career at 106lbs. is true or not. i checked the link below which says that cotto fought at lightweight and light welterweight in his amateur days and nowhere near the 106lbs. that you want us to believe.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miguel_Cotto

That article is referring to the weight he fought at when he was 18 (1998). We were referring to the weight he fought at when he was a boy of 15, which is the age Pac started his professional career. When he was 15, he was fighting at 106lb.

[Dave Rado]

i agree with you in some point of your argument but have you not considered that pac started his pro career at 106lbs. (or 108lbs.) and cotto at 140lbs.?that's a big difference in size which cotto is definitely has the advantage.size does matter in boxing besides, cotto is a world class boxer and in his prime. with this said, cotto has the advantage to defeat pac on nov. 14 though i give pac a chance too.

Why is the weight they started their pro career at relevant? Pac turned pro when he was a boy of only 15. When Cotto was a boy of 15, he weighed the same as Pac did at that age. So bringing up the fact that Pac "only" weighed 106lb when he was a boy of 15 is highly misleading. If Cotto had turned pro at that age, they'd have fought in the same weight class as each other - but he didn't.

Pac is a natural Jnr Welterweight now, and Cotto is a natural Welterweight. Where they started from is irrelevant. Neither of them are blown up fighters.
There is a size difference, but only one weight class. The people who keep bringing up the fact Pac weighed 106lb when he was a boy of 15 are being extremely misleading and very disingenious - especially as Cotto weighed the same as he did at that age.

[Pullcounter]

I thought I had seen it all from you, now you are dis*****g the exact word that Roach said about Pacman having trouble to make weight in the past.

nope.

roach's point is that boxers should fight in a weight division close to their weight class.

Watch the video again and you will here it from Raoch own words, but i guess that will probably not be enough for you. The reason that Pacman is fighting at JWW and WW is because he CAN NOT make the 135 mark no more.

pac officially weighed 138 lbs against hatton.

It is Roach opinion and opinion only that a fighter should fight at their own walk around weight to avoid sacrifices to their bodies.

its not a wrong opinion.

This will not be the 1st time that in a same weight class a fighter has a weight advantage.

nope

Moset recent example is Cotto himself. Every body knows that Clottey comes in on fight night at 170 or more while Cotto comes in at max 160 and Cotto still won , close but won.

i thought he won, but a lot of people thought clottey got robbed in MSG.

On your book Clottey should retire because he couldn't ko Cotto with 10lbs advantage.

clottey should retire... he ain't gonna get any better and he ain't gonna beat anyone elite. he's a gatekeeper. only reason for him to be in boxing now is to collect paychecks.

On the "used to be 106 lbs", GET OVER IT. THE EXCUSE IT IS WORN OUT AND WEAK!!! IT APPLIES TO BOTH BOXERS!!!!

nope

Cotto was a 106 lber also back when he was an amateur, but he spent close to 8 years and build up his body as a world wide recognized amateur boxer.

yep, amatuer

Props to Pacman that he did it in pro spendig the 1st 6 years of his career fighting 95% of his fight in the Phillipines.

yep professional

[Pullcounter]

Why is the weight they started their pro career at relevant? Pac turned pro when he was a boy of only 15. When Cotto was a boy of 15, he weighed the same as Pac did at that age. So bringing up the fact that Pac "only" weighed 106lb when he was a boy of 15 is highly misleading. If Cotto had turned pro at that age, they'd have fought in the same weight class as each other - but he didn't.

the number 106 isn't important, its what it represents. pac is a smaller guy than cotto... about 10+ lbs smaller, which also is a number that tells you pac doesn't belong at WW.

Pac is a natural Jnr Welterweight now, and Cotto is a natural Welterweight. Where they started from is irrelevant.

yep, but Pac ain't no WW.

Neither of them are blown up fighters.

pac is a blown up WW.

There is a size difference, but only one weight class.

yep, pac is the smaller guy.

The people who keep bringing up the fact Pac weighed 106lb when he was a boy of 15 are being extremely misleading and very disingenious - especially as Cotto weighed the same as he did at that age.

don't get hung up on the number 106... fact is pac is too small.

[Dave Rado]

the number 106 isn't important, its what it represents. pac is a smaller guy than cotto... about 10+ lbs smaller, which also is a number that tells you pac doesn't belong at WW.

So Floyd doesn't belong either? Floyd's and Pac's fight night weight is identical. I've asked you this question many times going back several weeks, and you never reply!

And the fact that one was an amateur and the other a professional at 15 is irrelevant. When they were that age, they weighed the same as each other. If Cotto had turned pro back then, they'd have been in the same weight class. he happened not to, but so what? Pac was only a boy when he turned pro, so bringing up his weight when he was only a boy as if it meant anything is extremely disingenious.

The difference between them now is only one weight class. If the P4P #1 can't be competitive only one weight class above his natural weight (and not even an old fashioned weight class but a Jnr Welterweight to Welterweight) then he shouldn't be in the P4P lists. And in addition, they're not even fighting at the Welterweight limit, they're fighting at catchweight. IMO, Cotto should be the narrow favourite, mainly because there is a size discrepancy, but it's only a relatively small discrepancy, and to claim that Pac shouldn't even be expected to be able to be competitive is just ridiculous. And if you really think that, you must also believe that Floyd couldn't be competitive against any top Welterweights. Do you?

The rules of boxing are that your weight class is determined by your weigh-in weight, not your fight night weight. There are always differences in weight between all fighters in all divisions on fight night, but the best fighters in the divisions are very rarely the ones with the largest fight night weights.

[prsi]

nope.

roach's point is that boxers should fight in a weight division close to their weight class.


pac officially weighed 138 lbs against hatton.


its not a wrong opinion.


nope


i thought he won, but a lot of people thought clottey got robbed in MSG.


clottey should retire... he ain't gonna get any better and he ain't gonna beat anyone elite. he's a gatekeeper. only reason for him to be in boxing now is to collect paychecks.


nope


yep, amatuer



yep professional

You just expose yourself again especially when you do not have any bases to back up your arguments and when you do you screw your self up.
Example,
You say "nope" to Roach saying that Pacamn was having trouble to make weight when it is on video.

You say Pacman weighed in 138 when i said he can't make 135, aint 138>135???

You say Roach opinion is not wrong when i said it was an opinion, didn't say it was right or wrong just an opinion. By the way boxing history doesn't go by or supports that opinion.

You say nope when i say that there has been plenty of fights with weight advantages on fightnight within the same division and i mentioned how Clottey coem in at 170 something that has been proven and you still say nope.

On the Clottey-Cotto we both agree because i also beleive he won, but i only brought the fight becasue of the weight advantage that you say "nope" he hasn't happened.

One of the best response to me is "Clottey should retire" Get serious man. You are really looking silly.

on my response to the former 106lbs excuse being worn out and week and that it applies to both fighters you say "nope". You are right it's more than that it's ridiculous already.

on your yep, amateur and yep proffessional response this was just to show you that at one point both fighter were at one moment in their career at 106 Pacquiao didn't have the amateur background while fighting pro fighters for his first 6 years in the Phillipines while Cotto spent 8 years and growing as an amateur being world wide recognized as one of the best. Whether what type of competition they were facing is not in question or thouh debatable.

THE POINT HERE IS THAT BOTH FIGHTER WERE FORMER 106 LBS AS BOXERS!!!

GET OVER IT

BOTH BOXERS GREW YOU SHOULD GROW UP ALSO!!!