Canelo is actually "doing" what we asked GGG to do for all these years

[Cypocryphy]

Do you really feel the need to explain that ggg won against Jacobs..you got ****** in

Nobody had a problem with ggg being the winner against Jacobs until ggg was robbed against canelo and suddenly everyone tries to **** on gggs wins

When has ggg ever been in a controversial win like canelo had with lara?

That's a good point. These guys are arguing in bad faith.

[Cypocryphy]

https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/b...t-career-fight

Lie about what?

For one, I'm posting on my phone. Whatever code you're using in your posts is slowing my replies down

The link above has over 77 pages and was merged with the rbr. Do I need to quote the posts showing that over 95% of the boxingscene forum thought Golovkin lost that fight? Same with Derv

You and your Monday morning quarterback tricks won't work

The same guy's on this forum who say G beat Jacobs are the same one's who said he lost the night of the fight. Check the damn thread I posted. The PROOF is there

Lastly, you can think I'm ****** all you want, but if I log into my computer and post the evidence I have, I guarantee you I'll send you running with your tail tucked

I'm posting from my phone so I really dont have the patience to discuss this topic since I've thoroughly discussed it over the years

The bottom line is G lost to Canelo, Jacobs and Derv. His career has ****** in comparison to Canelos and he hasn't done a damn thing but pout in a corner since he lost

Go ahead and prove it then. It's ****ing ridiculous to claim a handicap (I'm on my phone ) and then do nothing about it.

You posted a link to a bunch of anonymous fanboys who had a hard on for Jacobs. Jacobs was knocked down and that ruined it for him. It was a close fight. A close fight is not a robbery. If I remember right, Jacobs did a lot of shoe shining and flurries, and sometimes that doesn't really go well with some judges. I'm almost tempted to rewatch it because of this nonsense. This was the same argument used for why he beat Canelo when he fought him. Again, the Canelo and Jacobs fight was close. Jacobs has a way of coming on strong later on.

[kushking]

Ggg deserved the win vs Canelo did he not ?

Canelo has been caught juicing did he not?

No he didn't "deserve"the win in either fight actually,the 1st fight a case can be made that he won 6 rds maybe 7 if you're generous imo(a draw was fair).(because Canelo clearly won at least 6 rds. Of course I know we will never agree on that)

As for "juicing"(its impossible to say whether anyone is juicing,but I will say that the clen test isn't proof of that)

that is what you call someone who takes actual roids/peds(cheats use drugs like epo/dbol/etc. because they won't stay in system like clen & actually work 1000x better)

,not the most tested fighter in the sport who had a vitamin D like substance in his system that both urine & hair test exonerated.(not to mention that despite Canelo not being notified that he had clen in his system til weeks later,it was less than 1 meal amount & decreased from his system exactly as expected from eating clen meat,& he even had proof he dined with Bill Clinton at Sonora grill,a restaurant Fifa found to serve clen meat)

Just because a fighter ends up with a substance that is sold in majority of meat in Mexico which has no performance benefit, doesn't equate to" juicing" especially if it the facts don't back it up.(again we're going to agree to disagree,& I find Ggg far more suspect of peds considering how much he ducks vada for most his fights & still is in monster condition going now on 40)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/bo...rticle-6167753

[Boxing-1013]

You're being a dishonest hater. And a whiny little crybaby for Golovkin.

Leave your emotions out of it and just stick to facts.


"Golovkin’s built his reputation on saying he’ll fight anybody. I raise my hand and say I’m somebody. Let’s do it. [But] nothing."
-Andre Ward
https://www.boxingscene.com/andre-wa...in-more--77544


Golovkin's Coach: Andre Ward Must Go to 164 or No Fight
https://www.boxingscene.com/golovkin...o-fight--93850

Dude, come on. You can say you want to fight, without really wanting to make a fight. That is boxing 101. Don't be an idiot.

[Boxing-1013]

No, he came in with drug cheat excuses right away. Has nothing to do with how one fighter challenged themselves and the other did not.

Thanks for your opinion

[Boxing-1013]

Im not so sure about that, Ward was never a vocal guy, there was a lot of talk on the internet about a Ward vs GGG fight and when it was put to Ward he said sure lets make the fight, GGG didn't want to fight Ward it was all wrong for him and Ward was bigger, just not a good fight for him, they don't all walk around beating their chest there is a lot of strategy in the matchmaking department with all the top guys, unless they don't have options then they start getting loud.

GGG is a great fighter that catches a lot of hate, murderous puncher with a killer instinct, went two very close fights with the worlds best Canelo that has gotta mean he is right there, I think Ward was all wrong for him, wrong for Canelo as well, Ward is like a modern-day Mike McCallum, kind off lulls you to sleep while he is winning the fight, very technical and very hard to beat over 12 rounds, Ward is an underrated boxer, nothing flashy just so hard to beat.

When Ward was healthy and fighting at 168, GGG was a nobody. Then Ward got hurt/inactive and in that time GGG became a star. There was probably about 3 months of time when their paths really crossed at HBO. I think HBO asked them to fight, and GGG said OK, and Ward said he needed time because of his shoulder injury.

Ward was a really tough smart fighter. I think he should have been penalized a lot more than he was, especially in certain fights. But I could see him using his size and physicality to legitimately beat GGG in a fight as well.

I think you just have to look at each guy's history to judge how you feel about who wanted that fight. GGG seems like he will fight guys, but only in the right scenario. He doesn't seem too keen to give away any and all leverage. Ward is very similar, except Ward likes to have tune ups before big bouts as well.

As I've said before, I think originally GGG would have taken that fight, especially in those days where it was really tough to get anyone to agree to fight him. He probably would have fought just about anyone. As he became a star, he obviously had his sights set on Canelo, for good reason$. And he has been more selective as time has gone on. Which is fine in a way, it is a business and you can't be ******.

Ward to be completely honest doesn't show any real risk taking in his career, to believe that he would really be interested in fighting someone like GGG. All of his fights were in CA, even Froch was still in the US. No rematches with Froch or Kessler abroad, or Kovalev. He was a tough smart guy, but very calculating outside the ring as well.

I can't possibly see a scenario where he would have been lining up to fight GGG in a neutral type of fight situation. His history doesn't show that. To be fair to other side, GGG and co. don't seem overly keen on giving up any leverage he may have as well, but he was a bit more adventurous than Ward.

I've got nothing against Ward, he seems like a decent guy. But man was he protected quite a bit. Really tough and smart fighter though, I don't take that away from him. When the going got tough, he was never one to shy away from that.

[Stuntman Mike]

No he didn't "deserve"the win in either fight actually,the 1st fight a case can be made that he won 6 rds maybe 7 if you're generous imo(a draw was fair).(because Canelo clearly won at least 6 rds. Of course I know we will never agree on that)

As for "juicing"(its impossible to say whether anyone is juicing,but I will say that the clen test isn't proof of that)

that is what you call someone who takes actual roids/peds(cheats use drugs like epo/dbol/etc. because they won't stay in system like clen & actually work 1000x better)

,not the most tested fighter in the sport who had a vitamin D like substance in his system that both urine & hair test exonerated.(not to mention that despite Canelo not being notified that he had clen in his system til weeks later,it was less than 1 meal amount & decreased from his system exactly as expected from eating clen meat,& he even had proof he dined with Bill Clinton at Sonora grill,a restaurant Fifa found to serve clen meat)

Just because a fighter ends up with a substance that is sold in majority of meat in Mexico which has no performance benefit, doesn't equate to" juicing" especially if it the facts don't back it up.(again we're going to agree to disagree,& I find Ggg far more suspect of peds considering how much he ducks vada for most his fights & still is in monster condition going now on 40)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/bo...rticle-6167753

You started by saying ggg won 6 rounds and 7 if generous if it was 7 then he won

[ShoulderRoll]

Dude, come on. You can say you want to fight, without really wanting to make a fight. That is boxing 101. Don't be an idiot.

I gave you actual quotes from both camps.

Your only comeback to that is to claim that they wanted the opposite of what they actually said. Because of your feelings.

[kushking]

You started by saying ggg won 6 rounds and 7 if generous if it was 7 then he won

Do I have to explain to you what "a draw was fair" or being generous means? It means that like all very close fights it depends on how you score the fight & that if you gift ggg rds from ineffective activity alone,then he MAYBE can be given 7 rds at absolute most.

(I saw Canelo win 7 rds cleanly but I'm not a crybaby so I say the draw was fair,but ggg definitely wasn't robbed as claimed, especially considering the huge disparity in accuracy & all around punch variety including like 10x as many body shots.)

[Boxing-1013]

I gave you actual quotes from both camps.

Your only comeback to that is to claim that they wanted the opposite of what they actually said. Because of your feelings.

? So GGG's side said they wanted it, at 164.

Ward didn't say what his terms were. What if he wanted it at 168, but in Oakland? That for me would be just as much BS as it being at 164. Catchweight fights are silly 9 times out of 10.

And why would you of all people, a Canelo superfan, be mad at anyone wanting a catchweight? That's all your guy does lol.

By the way, just because you say you want a fight, doesn't mean that you want it. Was Ward ducking GGG because he wouldn't take it at 164? That's the type of dumbass logic you have, but at least you're consistently dumb.