Caleb Plant is a slick Brotha

[QueensburyRules]

Canelo might actually lose. I’m putting 200 on him losing

- -U putting $ on snot being slick mucous is it?

[Cecin]

Plant is slick. The problem is, Canelo is slicker. Slicker than him and all the active brothers out there. There is no one right now who has better defense than Canelo, and that are facts.

[Cecin]

The guy you are addressing has been banned for racism for at least a few times before, and he's pushing his luck these days.

First, I thought he just didn't like Floyd with the unending "Gayweather" comments, which are actually against the NSB rules. They contribute nothing to the quality of the site. I can understand not liking a fighter with passion, but you can't abuse them, either. That reduces the quality of the site, and the boxers and their teams that read NSB (many do) will look elsewhere. This site is all about the boxers and boxing, first and foremost. Attacking boxers incessantly gets you banned.

Then I realized, reading this guy's posts for a while now, that he actually hates anything African American/Black (racism). Permabans are for guys like these. Not recommending anything right now. Making the occasional angry comments or using negative names/labels for boxers is perfectly fine. Bashing them repeatedly or the NSB members who support those boxers should not be tolerated.

Shape up, Rey.

So him calling 'Gayweather' is bad and abusive, but a bunch of haters here calling 'Clenelo' all the time not? OK...

[BoxingIsGreat]

So him calling 'Gayweather' is bad and abusive, but a bunch of haters here calling 'Clenelo' all the time not? OK...

Please read what I wrote. Creating your own abusive names/words for ANY BOXER shouldn't be acceptable. When you see something like that consistently, report them to the mods, and explain your point. In my opinion, NSB (BoxingScene) is the best website for boxing news and debate, bar none. Therefore, a lot of boxers/fighters and their people naturally read here. It's their job and business.

Everything doesn't go. Contribute something constructive unless you are always an angry person. Calling fighters names takes away your creditability. I'm not talking about words like the occasional "bum" as a level gauge.

Namaste!

[BodyBagz]

Resumes only give us a rough indicator. Fights are won in the ring, not on paper but there is no denying Canelo has fought much, much better competition that its not even funny.

Plant is much better than a blown up, small & chubby BJS who goes life and death in every other fight and the likes and offers different looks to those guys.
The BJS comparisons are too much and people are putting way too much into it when they fight nothing alike.

I think where a lot of these guys go wrong vs Canelo is they're overly respectful and jab at the head, always the head with no real conviction, they don't step in with it through fear of getting countered they're flicking it with it and just highlighting how good his head movement is and start becoming disheartened and second guessing everything cause they can't find their range.
Plant has excellent head control, jabs to the chest which is what you should be doing against someone with good head movement and athleticism in abundance unlike those he can also fight at mid-range and doesn't panic and pull straight back.
I think this is the most difficult fight for Canelo out there. Happy to be proven wrong but for me and what I've seen and their styles I actually think if Plant is a little wrong for Canelo.

For me if I am to build a fighter to beat Canelo they would look a lot like Plant.

I'd pick BHS to beat everyone Plant has beaten fairly easily. Ditto Kov. Resumes hold the key to how a fighter is looked at (OR should be). Historians mention resumes all the time and use them as the foundation of a fighters greatness.

''He's so great, who has he beaten ???'' Is usually how it goes.

[dan_cov]

I was wondering if I'd get this kind of hyperbole. The notable dogfights in which Saunders has taken legitimate punishment/shown defensive lapses amount to basically 4 (Lee, Eubank, Akavov, Coceres) two of which make sense in terms of career point/competition (the first two) and the other two being the usual hot/cold is-he-on-or-off thing where all intimately familiar with at this point. Everything else has been varying shades of total dominance. Monroe Jr fight moteworthy if anything for being a a low output stinker/sleep aid masquerading as a "chess match", in which BJ absolutely did not get "battered" as you suggest and ultimately got the better of mongoose, and the fact you mention Isufi (did you watch that, or pretend to like 70% of this forum) as a fight in which Saunders got "dogged" and/or barely held on is flat out insane. Isufi literally had one moment of success in the opening seconds of round 6 (7?) where he caught BJ clean witha massive right, which was cherry picked to death by people like this ThuglifeNelo nerd as evidence of "decline" etc when it was otherwise more or less a replication of the Lemieux shutout in which Isufi didn't even win the round in which he landed his one shot.

And overlooking the obvious that as overall meh as BJ's resume is it's still > Plant's, Plant hasn't exhihited anything going into this to suggest he'll have far more success with Nelo. The outcome of BJ Canelo obv factors into this assessment...had it gone the distance with Saunders continuing to make a pretty good account or heaven forbid an upset my prognosis for Plant would be more favorable. But working from the baseline that they are very comparable with me giving the edge to BJ in most departments when he is "on", and calling power a wash...It isn't very favorable and I see Plant either getting stopped in a similar time frame after giving Nelo several rounds of similar genuine crafty pushback (even a bit sooner with a gun to my head or surviving to the end doing virtually nothing--certainly not the Smith firefight--in later rounds that he effectively forfeits. He will win rounds but come up short imo. As always he's more than welcome to prove me wrong. I have nothing against Plant personally and rate him in his own right.

Monroe didn't batter him but from what I remember (and I really don't care to as it was an awful snoozer lol) was him not really being able to separate himself from Monroe. This isn't an off-night or two. I don't buy into BJS fighting down to his opponents level if anything I think he is super consistent, dazzles for 5 or so rounds then fades horribly. He's quite fast, he has good feet and is jittery, he's hard to pin down early on.
I don't think a guy who is held in such high regard in terms of skills, defense & so forth should be having such tough nights in the office for most part against lacklustre opposition. Surely there comes a time where people say you know what I think we've overrated the fella a touch.

He is skilled and jittery, he's a nightmare for 5-6 rounds or so until he slows down a touch and opponents get their timing down then we really get to see a lack of fundamentals and defensive basics such as glove positioning and dare I say a bit of lack of ring IQ. As much success as he has had I've always felt he was more suited to the amateurs.
For me his athleticism and a sort of ****y style flatters him in the way his skillset is looked at. Hands down, lot of erratic head movement our brains automatically sort of equate this to being more skilled over someone who is more basic yet fundamentally doing all the right things.
Moments of brilliance over effectiveness. A big reason why I picked Canelo over BJS and wasn't so convinced BJS was the better boxer was this whole substance issue. Everything Canelo does is with a real purpose, a lot of what BJS does is showmanship and wasted energy really though I do feel he actually fought Canelo with more purpose than he usually does.

If Plant fought BJS opposition its speculation but I don't feel they lay a glove on him, maybe Cocares would have some marginal success but I don't see Lee at that stage, a novice Eubank Jr, Akavov, Monroe etc giving him any issues at all. And while I'd favour BJS over anyone on Plants resume I wouldn't be surprised if he barely held on vs several of them.

[dan_cov]

There are a few tendencies in Plants defense I see I think he stays too tall on his exits.
When he throws the left hook he dips down to his right - exactly how he got caught at the face-off also but Plant I am sure picked up on it and will be working super hard to correct it & not be as predictable.

Overall, on the whole I am very impressed by him. Fantastic fundamentals yet he does have the athleticism also to fall back on.

For me someone like BJS is far more reliant on their athleticism and erraticness to get them out of trouble and we've seen it fail or get him in real trouble way too often.

When BJS tires he falls apart, he losses shape and starts falling in, hands right down with his head over his front foot and shows for me, a lack of fundamentals, ring I.Q and ability to adapt
When I see Plant tire he did all the right things and excelled he did everything I want to see from a fighter he used lateral movement, he slowed the pace down with his feints, he went to the basics, he tied him up and seen it out without taking a beating. He showed experience, a good boxing brain.