Comments Thread For: Abigail Montes Shocks Claressa Shields With Split Decision in MMA Bout

[billeau2]

What a great win for Montes. 21 years old? Wow.

Just read she trains out of the same gym as Irene Aldana, Alexa Grasso, Karina Rodriguez and Alejandra Lara. Those are all class fighters. I'm surprised they put Shields in with her. MMA doesn't **** around.

Shields did very well and will likely be back in MMA.

Fans often have no patience. Shields can lose a few... A fellow Poster informed me that Nunnes lost a few... And now Nunnes is the new flavor of the month. When Shields learns how to use her punch and grapple well enough to avoid tie ups she will be off to the races.

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I know but training for MMA is truly specific to MMA. I can tell you as someone who has worked with fighters. Its not that having experience in various arts does not help, but If you break down the schematics of a typical MMA bout, you can pretty much find a set of maybe 10 techniques that have to be understood to compete. You must know how to deal with those scenarios, be a great athlete and a fighter who likes to compete.

In the old days, the Gracie brothers had a great advantage because nobody knew how to deal with being controlled in the guard, and how to fight when mounted. Then people learned to deal with being taken down (how to sprawl), how to neutralize the techniques applied from the guard and mount, and the rest is history.

The proof of this is also what happens when technical skills come full circle in MMA: Great example is breaking the knee with a side kick. This is something people in Karate and many forms of old Ju Jutsu knew about for years... it was assumed that "well it can't work in the ring because it doesn't work in reality" and then... "walla! people learn to kick well enough that they can break a man's knee in MMA, and suddenly the technique is dangerous! Like people who know how to break a knee have known for years lol.

My point is, what people think MMA is, what it proves... and reality are two different things. The level of technical skill assumed to be the driving force of greatness in MMA is specific to what you need to learn in the ring and not any great technical fiat. I know this is complicated let me simplify: Most martial arts skills applied in MMA are rudimentary. For example, if you know how to choke someone they should be out in less than 10 seconds, and usually a lot less...
When someone comes into the sport as a de facto excellent technician, it doesn't really even mean so much in the ring... It gives you an advantage until people understand what they are lacking... For example, believe it, or not, Ronda Roussey was, by far, the most technically accomplished women's MMA fighter in this era and maybe ever. What it got Ronda was greatness until she decided to play like everyone else and got punched in the face like everyone else.

Nunnes wins because she can punch people in the face really hard.

Roussey was a one trick pony who won the majority of her fights by arm bar because women dont have the same upper body strength to fight through an arm bar. She went all out from the start of the fight just to apply that one move. She was definitely over rated as a fighter.

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I can’t argue with that at all. She’s paper chasing, that’s all it is. With this loss she becomes unmarketable in mma

I always thought that the real money was in boxing, that’s why so many MMA guys are trying to cross over.
I can’t speak on the women's pay on boxing though.
You always post good stuff btw.

[billeau2]

Roussey was a one trick pony who won the majority of her fights by arm bar because women dont have the same upper body strength to fight through an arm bar. She went all out from the start of the fight just to apply that one move. She was definitely over rated as a fighter.

Maybe.... But so were a lot of the original Gracie guys. And its not only strength, like a lot of these techniques, when you do it properly it takes very little strength and there is no fight... Again... with MMA the athletic ability needed is off the roof, but the technical ability needed is actually not a very high bar. When you train to do a technique for self preservation you train in it differently, its a different focus than training against a common opponent who has equal opportunity.

Over rated indeed, so are most of the fighters in woman's MMA, thats really my point. Not so much in boxing...

[paulf]

Fans often have no patience. Shields can lose a few... A fellow Poster informed me that Nunnes lost a few... And now Nunnes is the new flavor of the month. When Shields learns how to use her punch and grapple well enough to avoid tie ups she will be off to the races.

Yep. She's learning under the bright lights... she has the ability to go very far in MMA.

People just hate Shields and want any opportunity to dunk on her.

[billeau2]

Yep. She's learning under the bright lights... she has the ability to go very far in MMA.

People just hate Shields and want any opportunity to dunk on her.

I noticed that... I feel for Shields. I am not Black and not a women, but I grew up in a neighborhood where a lot of people I called "friends" were very aggressive and a bit crazy. Tools that helped one in that environment. I think Shields has family and friends that way... I have graduate degrees, etc BUT would never turn my back on my friends... so I understand the situation with Shields and her brother & company. I also think Shields acts like a mother to some in her family, and again... very common to see big sister sister stepping in for mom... Its just the way people roll. Shields isn't going to throw her brother to the curb...

Shields has shown genososity and compassion, and she is not the type to disown her past... She may not be an angle either, no question, but people really make her out to be a villian.

[paulf]

I noticed that... I feel for Shields. I am not Black and not a women, but I grew up in a neighborhood where a lot of people I called "friends" were very aggressive and a bit crazy. Tools that helped one in that environment. I think Shields has family and friends that way... I have graduate degrees, etc BUT would never turn my back on my friends... so I understand the situation with Shields and her brother & company. I also think Shields acts like a mother to some in her family, and again... very common to see big sister sister stepping in for mom... Its just the way people roll. Shields isn't going to throw her brother to the curb...

Shields has shown genososity and compassion, and she is not the type to disown her past... She may not be an angle either, no question, but people really make her out to be a villian.

Well, to be fair I think she really has done a lot to point-blank copy the Mayweather model of getting eyes on you with all that GWOT talk, saying she's accomplished even more than Mayweather at this stage in her career, etc. Which, to me, is laughable because the talent pool is tiny in womens boxing.

Saying that, she's doing exactly what she needs to do. NO ONE is paying attention to women's boxing, and I think the controversial things she says get far more play in the media than her fights do. So she's going out there and marketing herself and finding a way to up her brand and build her paydays the way any smart young fighter would.

I never knock a young fighter for doing that or hold it against them. You gotta build your brand or else you end up like Demetrius Andrade or something. Even at the height of Broner's foolishness, I was always defending him on here because I never took the bait on his **** talking. Real fans should see past it and look at the talent, which Shields has an abundance of.

[Robbie Barrett]

I guess she's not the GWOAT now. She locked her Twitter profile too. She needed humbling.

[OGBIGSACK]

HAHAHAHAHA stick to boxing shields your a bum in MMA. Also shields is overrated as a boxer.

[Vlad_]

Shields vs Nunes in MMA should be pointless fun.