At what point will Floyd Mayweather get the credit he deserves?

[Roadblock]

I don't really see the point man. I have my opinion on Floyd, you have yours. I'm not a Manny fan. Many of the criticisms I have for Floyd, I have for Canelo, Manny etc.

When you are a superstar, you end up eliminating a lot of your risks - you end up fighting at 'home' all the time, the judges score it for you, and you get to pick a good (name) opponent that you can probably handle because you are choosing him at the right time. Look at what Canelo did recently with Callum Smith, or Kovalev. Or Manny with Thurman or even Matthyse.

I'm not saying that they aren't all good or really good or great fighters. Just that some of their wins aren't at face value to me.

I've always valued wins over solid pros in their primes, vs wins over faded/overweight/underweight good names not in their primes.

The point is they ALL have guys somebody says they should have fought if Floyd fought Margarito and not Mosley they be saying he ducked Mosley, it's a never-ending circle of one fan crying and another rejoicing, its why I say show me your favorite guys and I will show you who they didn't fight ( ducked) , it applies to everybody that boxed at an elite level, they cannot fight everyone, and that alone opens the door for fans to apply duck to everybody they didn't fight.

As Ive said all along I look at fighters like they are racehorses, I read the form of opponents going in and watch the performance and look at it that way, I don't care what they do outside of the ring it matters not, the boxing is all I care about.

As for prime and not prime this is a fan-created pendulum that swings anyway they lean towards when it suits them, the fact is elite fighters are always within 95% of their best across most of their career, when they fall out of prime they lose a string of fights in a short time and its game over, Floyd has a great resume compared to any fighter during his era, he continually fought and beat the top guys and he fought some guys at weights that favored them not him, even right back to Castillo he had a 10lb handicap on fight night, Oscar outweighed him by a stone coming off KOing a MW, Manny beats a drained 145 Oscar and people want to praise him and rubbish Floyd, that kind of stuff is fan BS., if you want to break down Floyds resume start a thread and we will compare it to any fighter during his era, head to head you pick whoever you like, Ive offered this to Manny fans many times they don't want none of that.

My point is nobody has a perfect resume, and I mean nobody, when you weigh up the entire body of work across 20 yrs Mayweather was without a doubt the best fighter of his era, I don't get into best ever and all that BS, but his era without a doubt he was the best.

[BodyBagz]

The point is they ALL have guys somebody says they should have fought if Floyd fought Margarito and not Mosley they be saying he ducked Mosley, it's a never-ending circle of one fan crying and another rejoicing, its why I say show me your favorite guys and I will show you who they didn't fight ( ducked) , it applies to everybody that boxed at an elite level, they cannot fight everyone, and that alone opens the door for fans to apply duck to everybody they didn't fight.

As Ive said all along I look at fighters like they are racehorses, I read the form of opponents going in and watch the performance and look at it that way, I don't care what they do outside of the ring it matters not, the boxing is all I care about.

As for prime and not prime this is a fan-created pendulum that swings anyway they lean towards when it suits them, the fact is elite fighters are always within 95% of their best across most of their career, when they fall out of prime they lose a string of fights in a short time and its game over, Floyd has a great resume compared to any fighter during his era, he continually fought and beat the top guys and he fought some guys at weights that favored them not him, even right back to Castillo he had a 10lb handicap on fight night, Oscar outweighed him by a stone coming off KOing a MW, Manny beats a drained 145 Oscar and people want to praise him and rubbish Floyd, that kind of stuff is fan BS., if you want to break down Floyds resume start a thread and we will compare it to any fighter during his era, head to head you pick whoever you like, Ive offered this to Manny fans many times they don't want none of that.

My point is nobody has a perfect resume, and I mean nobody, when you weigh up the entire body of work across 20 yrs Mayweather was without a doubt the best fighter of his era, I don't get into best ever and all that BS, but his era without a doubt he was the best.

I love it when a so called ''neutral'' ''fight'' fan say they are either a fan of both or neither, only to go on and bash May's resume EXCLUSIVELY -
Like no one is supposed to notice.

''I like them both but May never fought anyone at the prime.''
''I like both of them but it was May's fault the fight didn't happen way back when.''
''I like them both but Pac beat the better versions of DLH, Mosley, Hatton, JMM and Cotto.''

[Pretty Boy32]

If all those fighters were shot with minimal losses then you must agree that castillo was shot to pieces with his 4 losses before he stepped in the ring and put a beat down on floyd

If you think he put a beat down on Floyd then you need this forum FFS

[Stuntman Mike]

If you think he put a beat down on Floyd then you need this forum FFS

He had him nearly crying in the ring

[hugh grant]

I think Floyd fans have come to realize after 249 posts that's Floyd gets the credit he deserves already. His reputation isn't a grower. Nothing is going to suddenly massively change anytime soon.
Everytime Nelos wins, only Nelo gets credit for win. And so it should be as he is the one risking his health..And if a bum beats Nelo tomorow it wont affect Floyd win also, wont make Floyd look bad.
Floyd is what he is.

[djtmal]

He was 14 lbs bigger you fool, Manny ducked this Cotto, the other day you were going on about Oscar fck me he was drained so bad he should not have fought anybody in that condition.

Keep lying to yourself, I'm fcked if I know how you can look in the mirror, gotta be such a fake person in the real world.

I don't care if he was 100 lbs bigger. Manny beat Cotto closer to his prime than Floyd did.

Oscar is a professional athlete years and years at the top level he knew what he was doing. He felt he could beat manny at 147 because he still had height/reach. He was wrong and lost.

[djtmal]

I love it when a so called ''neutral'' ''fight'' fan say they are either a fan of both or neither, only to go on and bash May's resume EXCLUSIVELY -
Like no one is supposed to notice.

''I like them both but May never fought anyone at the prime.''
''I like both of them but it was May's fault the fight didn't happen way back when.''
''I like them both but Pac beat the better versions of DLH, Mosley, Hatton, JMM and Cotto.''

Its called liking them both, but taking a hard stance on the hard questions.

[Boxingb32]

I’ll give him credit for being a woman beating animal that should be locked up

[Roadblock]

I don't care if he was 100 lbs bigger. Manny beat Cotto closer to his prime than Floyd did.

Oscar is a professional athlete years and years at the top level he knew what he was doing. He felt he could beat manny at 147 because he still had height/reach. He was wrong and lost.

Says volumes about your integrity, there was an Olympic skater gold medalist who was running last in the final when the entire field fell on the last turn and he being clear last missed the crash and won, you be one of a rare few bragging how good he was.

And then on flip side, while you praise Cotto at a CW coming of a near-death beating, Manny ducking him when Cotto said yes but no CW and Oscar being drained like a dried-up prune to where Manny was heavier fight night, you don't even acknowledge how messed up Oscar was, you then rubbish Floyd for beating them under much tougher conditions with both in way better fight form going into the fights, as I said your integrity is paper-thin.


For Pacquiao, I was a dead man walking before I even got into the ring because I had to get to 147 pounds. I went down to 140 a month before the fight and I hadn’t seen 140 in ages. There’s no excuse. He beat me. But I wasn’t in the fight even before it started.

https://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp...428-story.html

[djtmal]

Says volumes about your integrity, there was an Olympic skater gold medalist who was running last in the final when the entire field fell on the last turn and he being clear last missed the crash and won, you be one of a rare few bragging how good he was.

And then on flip side, while you praise Cotto at a CW coming of a near-death beating, Manny ducking him when Cotto said yes but no CW and Oscar being drained like a dried-up prune to where Manny was heavier fight night, you don't even acknowledge how messed up Oscar was, you then rubbish Floyd for beating them under much tougher conditions with both in way better fight form going into the fights, as I said your integrity is paper-thin.


For Pacquiao, I was a dead man walking before I even got into the ring because I had to get to 147 pounds. I went down to 140 a month before the fight and I hadn’t seen 140 in ages. There’s no excuse. He beat me. But I wasn’t in the fight even before it started.

https://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp...428-story.html

Cotto didn't have a near death beating. Stop it. Just stop it. He lost to Manny as did Oscar.

So let me get this straight. A shopworn Cotto was fine and Jim dandy when Floyd fought him, yet was near death when Manny fought him closer to his prime.
Only because Manny spanked him far better than Floyd did I am quite sure is why you working overtime with the excuses.
Same thing with Oscar, who had every advantage going into the fight with Manny, somehow the excuses rain down after Manny retired him for good. Same version of Oscar that Floyd fought a year or so prior.

You Floyd boys just need to accept that the criticism Floyd gets is justified. That Manny is equal to him if not better than him in a lot of ways and has bested him with shared opponents.