At what point will Floyd Mayweather get the credit he deserves?

[Boxing-1013]

You made no analysis, wtf you on.

you want go with me don't ask me to go around the same BS that's been done a 1000 times.

You tell me when was Floyds prime lets start there, then we can look at the opponents fights before and after Floyd, we can compare weights with other guys who apparently took a risk, you see that's the objective way to look at it, you must compare timing of fights weight of fights and previous form,,, ready set go start the ball rolling.

Im nearly 70 and followed boxing for over 50 rs Im no fanboy I can beat you to death with facts and figures.

Do you know what the word analysis means?

As I said:

"Name the prime fighters at their (more or less) best weight that Floyd fought on neutral terms. That is how I judge fighters. It is not some special litmus test for Floyd."

The man was a great boxer. He also took no real risk the 2nd half of his career. Why does that hurt your feelings? It's just a fact man. He made like a billion dollars. He had a great career. Was it a little smoke and mirrors? Of course. No one should be acting like it wasn't.

[BodyBagz]

May should have been a bigger risk taker like the guy who fought -
Shot Rios, Shot Algieri*, Shot Margarito*, Shot Mosley, Shot Broner, Shot Clottey, Shot DLH*, Shot Lucas, Cotto*, Vargas, Bradley 3x, JMM 4x, HORN......

May would not survive a line up like that

[Toyman]

Simply put, one only needs to look at spoons thread which shows Manny clearly out landing Floyd in most rounds.

The fact that Floyd avoided Manny for half a decade before getting outboxed by Manny is also why neutral observers don't give Floyd a whole lot of credit.

Floyd's TUE and avoiding the 5 million dollar positive test fee also dont help to alleviate concerns about his ped usage

[BodyBagz]

In his own words, Pacquiao on blood testing

https://www.espn.com/blog/dan-rafael...-blood-testing

"The truth is taking blood out of my body does not seem natural to me and mentally I feel it will weaken me if blood is taken from me just days before the fight. That does not make sense to me why anyone would do that. These accusations of me using any performance enhancing supplements are totally unwarranted and unjustified."

Shltty resume, shltty excuses, shltty fan base

If May was a smiling, head nodding, Yes Man like Pac was, more people would love him.

[Roadblock]

Simply put, one only needs to look at spoons thread which shows Manny clearly out landing Floyd in most rounds.

The fact that Floyd avoided Manny for half a decade before getting outboxed by Manny is also why neutral observers don't give Floyd a whole lot of credit.

Floyd's TUE and avoiding the 5 million dollar positive test fee also dont help to alleviate concerns about his ped usage

Thats the only way a fan can put it, simply because they neither have the knowledge or the experience to put things down like they are in a courtroom being cross-examined.

Its so easy to spot a Manny fanboy Floyd hater they never have a good argument it's always a fans argument that might work in a forum of fans but the guys that really know boxing will see your glasshouse exactly as it is.

Ive said it 100 times I look at fighters like they are a racehorse, the fan bs wont fly with me because I know better from within boxing I didn't start watching this sport a few years ago, its been over 5 decades I've followed the sport. Your very first comment of Floyd avoiding Manny is total BS. Bob Arum avoided Mayweather because he knew Floyd would kill his goose that laid the Golden Egg that's why it never happen in 2010, oh so easy to prove.

[Roadblock]

Do you know what the word analysis means?

As I said:

"Name the prime fighters at their (more or less) best weight that Floyd fought on neutral terms. That is how I judge fighters. It is not some special litmus test for Floyd."

The man was a great boxer. He also took no real risk the 2nd half of his career. Why does that hurt your feelings? It's just a fact man. He made like a billion dollars. He had a great career. Was it a little smoke and mirrors? Of course. No one should be acting like it wasn't.

What analysis, a fkn bs opinion with nothing backing it up is not an analysis, try a very detailed break down that's what analysis means.

You cant even begin at a starting point, when was Floyds prime its a simple question yet you can't answer it , FM started at 130 and at 36 yrs old beat a 46 fight undefeated Canelo who is the worlds leading 160-175 guy today, fk me fans are dumb cnts.

I want to know what prime means to you. I want to know how if Floyd is not in prime fighting a champion from the same era that's not in their prime somehow falls against Floyd, the reason is that Floyd won.

What do you make of Manny beating Oscar when he outweighed Oscar, vs Mayweather beating Oscar when Oscar outweighed Floyd and was 20 lbs heavier than the version Manny beat,?

What do you make of Floyd stopping Hatton when Ricky weighed 153 on fight night which is the same weight he was stopping KT, Floyd weighed 152, was Hatton prime. How do you compare Floyds undefeated Hatton with the one that had a coke habit left his wife and long time trainer contemplated suicide then nearly stopped by a guy they pulled out of retirement, outboxed Pauli and then fights Manny, you don't see a difference here?

What do you make of Floyd schooling JMM like an amateur when JMM weighed 150 which is the same weight he was planking Manny, Floyd has never been in a ring above 152 this is easy to prove, JMM went life and death 4 times with Manny he wanted nothing to do with Floyd are that embarrassing beating, Nacho said you cant beat FM with a stick and is from another planet, why would they say and behave like this if it was weight?

What do you make of all common opponents of Floyd and Manny saying Floyd is the best they fought?

Prime for an elite is most of his career, its not a small window its many years, if you want to start micro analyzing prime they get up some nights and next week they are down a bit, its very easy to see when they fall out of that window because they lose a lot of fights and generally receive hard KO loses.

Your home town is another bs fan spin, Vegas is no ones home town its is the mecca of world boxing the way they acclimate these days it means nothing, Floyd lives there alongside masses of fighters yet you try and call an advantage which is total bs, a hometown win is like Hatton vs KT.

How do you see Cotto vs Manny and Floyd vs Cotto , weights and form leading into both fights, how do you see Manny calling Cotto out when 154 WC and Cotto saying no problems no CW and Manny saying no fight, same Cotto isn't it ?

And you want to tell me how you judge fighters lol you know nothing boy.

[Boxing-1013]

What analysis, a fkn bs opinion with nothing backing it up is not an analysis, try a very detailed break down that's what analysis means.

You cant even begin at a starting point, when was Floyds prime its a simple question yet you can't answer it , FM started at 130 and at 36 yrs old beat a 46 fight undefeated Canelo who is the worlds leading 160-175 guy today, fk me fans are dumb cnts.

I want to know what prime means to you. I want to know how if Floyd is not in prime fighting a champion from the same era that's not in their prime somehow falls against Floyd, the reason is that Floyd won.

What do you make of Manny beating Oscar when he outweighed Oscar, vs Mayweather beating Oscar when Oscar outweighed Floyd and was 20 lbs heavier than the version Manny beat,?

What do you make of Floyd stopping Hatton when Ricky weighed 153 on fight night which is the same weight he was stopping KT, Floyd weighed 152, was Hatton prime. How do you compare Floyds undefeated Hatton with the one that had a coke habit left his wife and long time trainer contemplated suicide then nearly stopped by a guy they pulled out of retirement, outboxed Pauli and then fights Manny, you don't see a difference here?

What do you make of Floyd schooling JMM like an amateur when JMM weighed 150 which is the same weight he was planking Manny, Floyd has never been in a ring above 152 this is easy to prove, JMM went life and death 4 times with Manny he wanted nothing to do with Floyd are that embarrassing beating, Nacho said you cant beat FM with a stick and is from another planet, why would they say and behave like this if it was weight?

What do you make of all common opponents of Floyd and Manny saying Floyd is the best they fought?

Prime for an elite is most of his career, its not a small window its many years, if you want to start micro analyzing prime they get up some nights and next week they are down a bit, its very easy to see when they fall out of that window because they lose a lot of fights and generally receive hard KO loses.

Your home town is another bs fan spin, Vegas is no ones home town its is the mecca of world boxing the way they acclimate these days it means nothing, Floyd lives there alongside masses of fighters yet you try and call an advantage which is total bs, a hometown win is like Hatton vs KT.

How do you see Cotto vs Manny and Floyd vs Cotto , weights and form leading into both fights, how do you see Manny calling Cotto out when 154 WC and Cotto saying no problems no CW and Manny saying no fight, same Cotto isn't it ?

And you want to tell me how you judge fighters lol you know nothing boy.

Man, you're pretty pathetic. 70 years old and you take it personally when someone had an objective opinion that Floyd never really took risks the 2nd part of his career? It's not even really an opinion, it's just how it was man.

As I said, he was a great boxer as well. I could match him up against anyone all-time and you'd have to give him a shot. But no, he never really took any risks. Never traveled. Not really any/many really good fighters in their primes, at their best weights.

He was very calculating. It's obvious. The truth hurts for some I guess. Cry about it grandpa.

[djtmal]

What analysis, a fkn bs opinion with nothing backing it up is not an analysis, try a very detailed break down that's what analysis means.

You cant even begin at a starting point, when was Floyds prime its a simple question yet you can't answer it , FM started at 130 and at 36 yrs old beat a 46 fight undefeated Canelo who is the worlds leading 160-175 guy today, fk me fans are dumb cnts.

I want to know what prime means to you. I want to know how if Floyd is not in prime fighting a champion from the same era that's not in their prime somehow falls against Floyd, the reason is that Floyd won.

What do you make of Manny beating Oscar when he outweighed Oscar, vs Mayweather beating Oscar when Oscar outweighed Floyd and was 20 lbs heavier than the version Manny beat,?

What do you make of Floyd stopping Hatton when Ricky weighed 153 on fight night which is the same weight he was stopping KT, Floyd weighed 152, was Hatton prime. How do you compare Floyds undefeated Hatton with the one that had a coke habit left his wife and long time trainer contemplated suicide then nearly stopped by a guy they pulled out of retirement, outboxed Pauli and then fights Manny, you don't see a difference here?

What do you make of Floyd schooling JMM like an amateur when JMM weighed 150 which is the same weight he was planking Manny, Floyd has never been in a ring above 152 this is easy to prove, JMM went life and death 4 times with Manny he wanted nothing to do with Floyd are that embarrassing beating, Nacho said you cant beat FM with a stick and is from another planet, why would they say and behave like this if it was weight?

What do you make of all common opponents of Floyd and Manny saying Floyd is the best they fought?

Prime for an elite is most of his career, its not a small window its many years, if you want to start micro analyzing prime they get up some nights and next week they are down a bit, its very easy to see when they fall out of that window because they lose a lot of fights and generally receive hard KO loses.

Your home town is another bs fan spin, Vegas is no ones home town its is the mecca of world boxing the way they acclimate these days it means nothing, Floyd lives there alongside masses of fighters yet you try and call an advantage which is total bs, a hometown win is like Hatton vs KT.

How do you see Cotto vs Manny and Floyd vs Cotto , weights and form leading into both fights, how do you see Manny calling Cotto out when 154 WC and Cotto saying no problems no CW and Manny saying no fight, same Cotto isn't it ?

And you want to tell me how you judge fighters lol you know nothing boy.

You don't need a detailed analysis to determine that Cotto, Manny and Shane were shopworn fighters past their prime by the time Floyd fought them, or that Marquez was a lightweight in his previous fight and was dragged up two weight classes.

Floyd stopped undefeated Hatton in 10 rounds and Manny stopped Hatton with 1 loss. Hatton wasn't shot with 1 loss stop trying to put extras on it because Manny stopped him in 2 rounds.

Oscar was past his prime when both Floyd and Manny fought him. The Oscar was weight drained excuses come raining down because Manny stopped him and Floyd went pitty pat for 12 rounds.

Floyd gets what he deserves not a penny more or less, and these excuses are designed to overexaggerate Floyd mediocrity.

[Roadblock]

Man, you're pretty pathetic. 70 years old and you take it personally when someone had an objective opinion that Floyd never really took risks the 2nd part of his career? It's not even really an opinion, it's just how it was man.

As I said, he was a great boxer as well. I could match him up against anyone all-time and you'd have to give him a shot. But no, he never really took any risks. Never traveled. Not really any/many really good fighters in their primes, at their best weights.

He was very calculating. It's obvious. The truth hurts for some I guess. Cry about it grandpa.

You don't have an objective opinion, you have a fans limited opinion, fck me read your own posts.

They are all calculating you idiot, get out of the forums and give the sport a real go and you will change your entire concept of boxing.

[Roadblock]

You don't need a detailed analysis to determine that Cotto, Manny and Shane were shopworn fighters past their prime by the time Floyd fought them, or that Marquez was a lightweight in his previous fight and was dragged up two weight classes.

Floyd stopped undefeated Hatton in 10 rounds and Manny stopped Hatton with 1 loss. Hatton wasn't shot with 1 loss stop trying to put extras on it because Manny stopped him in 2 rounds.

Oscar was past his prime when both Floyd and Manny fought him. The Oscar was weight drained excuses come raining down because Manny stopped him and Floyd went pitty pat for 12 rounds.

Floyd gets what he deserves not a penny more or less, and these excuses are designed to overexaggerate Floyd mediocrity.

Go away you fool Im sick of running you over you're as easy to beat as Manny was for Mayweather live with it instead of crying a river.

Oscar was dead man walking the fkn scales tell any fool that, 2lb rehydration, Manny outweighing him fight night, Oscar had not been that light in a fight for 13yrs fck off fool , its dumb ass ignorance like this where I have no respect for idiots like you at all, you're nothing but a fool with a hero.