We are wading into dangerous precedential waters with the ridiculously pre-mature stoppage of Herring v Stevenson.
Why aren't or rather shouldn't referees be giving more standing 8 counts, warning fighters between rounds that they need to improve their performance: in short, GIVE THE FIGHTER A CHANCE A WARNING.
What's worse is that Herring still had a puncher's chance, was still protecting himself, throwing back, he was just simply losing on points.
If we have referees beginning to stop fights simply because a fighter is behind on the cards, and is getting beaten but still able to fight (especially being the defending champion he's supposed to be given extra leeway to attempt a late-round comeback or stoppage. As long as he has a chance, and is coherent, not in danger of severe injury, then he ought to be allowed to continue!
My point is - this is going to potentially set a dangerous precedent and disadvantage fighters whose game plan might be to come on in the latter half of the fight.
What if a fighter wants to play rope a dope, or possum, setting traps? these strategies now put a fighter in danger of being declared a TKO loser simply because of a pitter-patter flurry made famous by Joe 'I don't travel' Calzaghe.
What are your thoughts?
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Originally posted by BIGPOPPAPUMP View PostBy Lyle Fitzimmons - Every now and then, you see it. You may not even be able to specifically define it, but it's there. Such is the case with Shakur Stevenson. Maybe you notice his footwork. Perhaps you focus on his hand speed. Or it could be the way he carries himself before a significant fight.
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I don't think Valdez holds up to the speed of Stevenson
on the other hand maybe he'd be more successful with his own feints and counters, etc
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Originally posted by sicko View Postthat is the "Hope" but I think it will be even more difficult for him to get people to fight him
already people are trying to redirect him away from Valdez, even Arum seems to want to protect Valdez from Stevenson because they ALL know (including Valdez himself) that Shakur picks Valdez apart
Why?- Valdez is a better boxer than Herring. (Imagine if Berchelt fought Herring).
- Valdez hits a hell of a lot harder than Herring. Had Herring had respectable power, we would have seen Shakur dancing around the ring all night like he did against the Nigerian.
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that is the "Hope" but I think it will be even more difficult for him to get people to fight him
already people are trying to redirect him away from Valdez, even Arum seems to want to protect Valdez from Stevenson because they ALL know (including Valdez himself) that Shakur picks Valdez apart
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Albert Bell and Colbert are the fights to make not the much slower old and been in the wars Valdez. Stevenson isnt going to call those names out because they'd be a problem.Last edited by Wacked_Out; 10-26-2021, 02:48 PM.
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I would love to see the Lomachenko vs Stevenson fight. I respect Stevenson for wanting to challenge himself. However, I think it's a mistake to elevate Stevenson's performance too much, and I will tell you why:- Herring has never been able to beat another southpaw. Not once. Not ever. He loses and loses badly to them.
- Herring's performance was, to be bluntly honest, laughable.
- Not only does he move in a straight line, he just stands there with his "ear muffs up" whenever he defends. He turned himself into a virtual BOB.
- He had zero head movement
- Not once did he try to take the weak side like he was supposed to.
- Denis Shafikov beat Herring worse than Shakur, with Denis causing several knockdowns. (There was hardly any improvements in Herring's boxing ability from then to his fight with Shakur, making the same dumb mistakes.)
- Herring's best win, without a doubt, was beating a little guy, past his prime, in Frampton.
We need to see more of Stevenson. I think any fight he makes with any of the other champions or 135 pounders will tell us a lot more about Stevenson.
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Originally posted by Apollo7 View PostStevenson's stock certainly seems to have risen. People were sitting on him after his previous performance. A lot of people only watch boxing for the action. Not everyone appreciates defensive skill. I hope Shakur is able to keep the momentum and get unification fights. The talent is obvious
I thought he looked much better and more entertaining this past weekend.
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Originally posted by Billevans View PostI would love to see Loma fight Stevenson simply from a stylistic vantage point. My question is what is the benefit for Loma. If he wins people will say Stevenson bit off more than he can chew and if he loses he tanks his chances at bigger fights moving forward.
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Stevenson's stock certainly seems to have risen. People were sitting on him after his previous performance. A lot of people only watch boxing for the action. Not everyone appreciates defensive skill. I hope Shakur is able to keep the momentum and get unification fights. The talent is obviousNomadic likes this.
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