Comments Thread For: Whyte: Joshua's Problem is With Himself, Not With His Coaches

[KingGilgamesh]

I think Whyte is half right - Joshua came in light and tried to outbox Usyk. That's an ego thing. It wasn't a sensible move. AJ should have been leaning on Usyk and tryign to rough him up. Using his weight with some boxing thrown in. Maybe he would still lose but give it a go.

What I find strange is people saying Joshua is poor because he lost to Usyk. Doesn't make any sense. He boxed very well against a superb boxer and if anyone with eyesight watches he was ducking almost all of those punches on the ropes - the whole reason he stuck his tongue out at Usyk at the end of the combo. AJ could lose again to Usyk and that still wouldn't mean he is a poor boxer. Wilder effectively lost 3 times to Fury and got stopped twice but people seem to think he's pretty good

No people don't think Wilder is good. He's a ****ing awful boxer with absolutely atrocious fundamentals. The fact that Wilder spent 18 months only to come in the ring with his laughably one dimensional gameplan is testament to his poor skill level.

Thing is though, Wilder has heart. And heart is admirable. Heart is something seasoned viewer and casual alike can respect. You may not understand footwork, head movement or feints but you can appreciate someone who refuses to stay down. There have been no grand revelations about Wilders skill. He looked as terrible technically as he always done. But his heart and will to win can't be denied. And a division full of questionable talent, its little wonder why people will fancy him against anyone.

Thing with Joshua is that he has upset both casuals and experienced viewers. He didn't show any heart and he didn't really show any skill either. That's why people think he's poor. Being outboxed and KOed is forgivable. Many people wrote Joshua off in his first defeat but many also didn't. This time though, to treat this fight as something you can just pick back up on a second outing...will have left a sour taste in many mouths. It reminds me of the England team circa 2010 compared to now. The mid naughties England team was chock full of superstar talent and one of the best forwards in the world. But they were hated, why? Because they would treat ****ing Euros and world cups about as significantly as they would a premiership derby. Yeah it was important, but they knew they would be swanning off to their wags and country estates so you could see how little they gave a ****. The current team by comparison is immensely technically flawed, achievment wise their manager doesn't fair to great against guys like Fabio Capello and Erikksson...but you see their passion and drive when they're on the pitch. That's why they're give way, WAY more respect than the former teams gone by. It's the same reason why, right now at least, Wilder is respected more than Joshua is.

[Roberto Vasquez]

No people don't think Wilder is good. He's a ****ing awful boxer with absolutely atrocious fundamentals. The fact that Wilder spent 18 months only to come in the ring with his laughably one dimensional gameplan is testament to his poor skill level.

Thing is though, Wilder has heart. And heart is admirable. Heart is something seasoned viewer and casual alike can respect. You may not understand footwork, head movement or feints but you can appreciate someone who refuses to stay down. There have been no grand revelations about Wilders skill. He looked as terrible technically as he always done. But his heart and will to win can't be denied. And a division full of questionable talent, its little wonder why people will fancy him against anyone.

Thing with Joshua is that he has upset both casuals and experienced viewers. He didn't show any heart and he didn't really show any skill either. That's why people think he's poor. Being outboxed and KOed is forgivable. Many people wrote Joshua off in his first defeat but many also didn't. This time though, to treat this fight as something you can just pick back up on a second outing...will have left a sour taste in many mouths. It reminds me of the England team circa 2010 compared to now. The mid naughties England team was chock full of superstar talent and one of the best forwards in the world. But they were hated, why? Because they would treat ****ing Euros and world cups about as significantly as they would a premiership derby. Yeah it was important, but they knew they would be swanning off to their wags and country estates so you could see how little they gave a ****. The current team by comparison is immensely technically flawed, achievment wise their manager doesn't fair to great against guys like Fabio Capello and Erikksson...but you see their passion and drive when they're on the pitch. That's why they're give way, WAY more respect than the former teams gone by. It's the same reason why, right now at least, Wilder is respected more than Joshua is.

I disagree with you about Wilder. He's not a great boxer but he's not a bad one either. Fury is supposedly the most elusive HW boxer and even the first fight Wilder landed a ton of punches on him. People ignore that Wilder is very fast for a HW and that everyone knows about his right hand - but he lands it every fight. There is a skill in that

Uh? Joshua showed a ton of skill in that fight. Not sure if you watched it at all. Landed some great shots on Usyk too.

And England football team has always ****** cos English people are too nice and think about things too much. As soon as they get in a big match that means something they start panicking. We only won the world cup when the overall standard was low and there were just a few top teams. I don't even watch them any more and I won't until they get a ruthless streak on the pitch.

[REDEEMER]

I think Whyte is half right - Joshua came in light and tried to outbox Usyk. That's an ego thing. It wasn't a sensible move. AJ should have been leaning on Usyk and tryign to rough him up. Using his weight with some boxing thrown in. Maybe he would still lose but give it a go.

What I find strange is people saying Joshua is poor because he lost to Usyk. Doesn't make any sense. He boxed very well against a superb boxer and if anyone with eyesight watches he was ducking almost all of those punches on the ropes - the whole reason he stuck his tongue out at Usyk at the end of the combo. AJ could lose again to Usyk and that still wouldn't mean he is a poor boxer. Wilder effectively lost 3 times to Fury and got stopped twice but people seem to think he's pretty good

I can assure you this guy KingGilgamesh watches most fights drinking well over a limit that misconstrues his perception of how fights actually went down .

“Uh? Joshua showed a ton of skill in that fight. Not sure if you watched it at all. Landed some great shots on Usyk too”



I believe A.J will defeat Usyk and stop him at some point in the rematch for some reasons you stated . It will be an entirely different fight the second one as always with him .

[KingGilgamesh]

I disagree with you about Wilder. He's not a great boxer but he's not a bad one either. Fury is supposedly the most elusive HW boxer and even the first fight Wilder landed a ton of punches on him. People ignore that Wilder is very fast for a HW and that everyone knows about his right hand - but he lands it every fight. There is a skill in that

Uh? Joshua showed a ton of skill in that fight. Not sure if you watched it at all. Landed some great shots on Usyk too.

And England football team has always ****** cos English people are too nice and think about things too much. As soon as they get in a big match that means something they start panicking. We only won the world cup when the overall standard was low and there were just a few top teams. I don't even watch them any more and I won't until they get a ruthless streak on the pitch.

Joshua went into outbox and did hardly any of it. Didn't commit to even a jab. There was nothing in that performance that could be earmarked as impressive beyond the middle rounds. You can't claim Joshua is a good champion and then claim that shutout was a good performance. It wasn't. It highlighted all his flaws. Kinda like Wlads 2015 performance against Fury.

[REDEEMER]

Joshua went into outbox and did hardly any of it. Didn't commit to even a jab. There was nothing in that performance that could be earmarked as impressive beyond the middle rounds. You can't claim Joshua is a good champion and then claim that shutout was a good performance. It wasn't. It highlighted all his flaws. Kinda like Wlads 2015 performance against Fury.

Fury didn’t shut out Wlad that fight was hardly even a reason to declare Fury a dominant guy with no rematch but besides that your comparisons don’t add up as usual .

You couldn’t see the fight sober if you think it was one sided ,A.J dropped the last 3 rounds and that’s why he lost .

[KingGilgamesh]

Fury didn’t shut out Wlad that fight was hardly even a reason to declare Fury a dominant guy with no rematch but besides that your comparisons don’t add up as usual .

You couldn’t see the fight sober if you think it was one sided ,A.J dropped the last 3 rounds and that’s why he lost .

Joshua "dropped" the last three rounds? Or he was barley able to stand and commit to an offence?

I seriously pity you deluded AJ ****lickers. Literally arguing with common sense snd trying to pretend as if a complete shut out on home score cards towards the away fighter isn't an example of a one sided fight. Hilarious. You're like these weird one direction fans. Do you have AJ posters on your wall or something? Lemme guess if Joshua held his nerve he would have won after round 9...

[Roberto Vasquez]

Joshua went into outbox and did hardly any of it. Didn't commit to even a jab. There was nothing in that performance that could be earmarked as impressive beyond the middle rounds. You can't claim Joshua is a good champion and then claim that shutout was a good performance. It wasn't. It highlighted all his flaws. Kinda like Wlads 2015 performance against Fury.

I thought I said he boxed very well which he did. No HW can outbox Usyk. That was his mistake. Uysk is on another level boxing wise. AJ came in light and tried to outbox him. But whatever Usyk is likely to still win anyway.

You probably think Fury having beaten one top 10-guy (who was a brawler) in six years and with his one title defence is well prepared for fighting someone like Usyk. Uysk already had more belts than Fury and he's only been in the division 5 minutes....

[REDEEMER]

Joshua "dropped" the last three rounds? Or he was barley able to stand and commit to an offence?

I seriously pity you deluded AJ ****lickers. Literally arguing with common sense snd trying to pretend as if a complete shut out on home score cards towards the away fighter isn't an example of a one sided fight. Hilarious. You're like these weird one direction fans. Do you have AJ posters on your wall or something? Lemme guess if Joshua held his nerve he would have won after round 9...

The last three rounds decided the fight ,you didn’t really watch it .

I would say there’s a huge exaggeration about that A.J can’t out box Usyk ,I would say AJs lack of aggression cost him the fight . I think he won quite a few rounds which had to have had him out box Usyk at some points . Most ppl just remember the last round of fights but one who watches the fight a few times pick up on things . I thought it was very close ,I believe A.J can outbox Usyk using a hard long jab and putting enough shots together he would inflict damage where Usyk won’t last an entire fight .


Usyk probably is the best overall boxer but I’d say Fury and A.J can still out box him using size and their strengths ,A.Js double/ triple jabs and Fury moving out of range on angles would work against Usyk .

If you stopped being the real fanboy on here you could maybe analyze what takes or took place in a real match not what you wanted to happen ?