Comments Thread For: Usyk: Only Fury Thinks He's The King of Kings - I'm Capable of Beating Him!

[aboutfkntime]

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interesting...

Gvozdyk - who fought Beterbiev, and sparred Benavidez and Usyk - agree's with me on... pretty much everything

* Crawford is probably the best fighter on the planet
* Canelo beats Beterbiev
* Benavidez gives Canelo fits, and is obviously his best opponent
* Fury beats Usyk



GVOZDYK RECALLS SPARRING DAVID BENAVIDEZ "ONLY GUY WHO MIGHT BEAT CANELO"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8H79bvLJeA

CANELO BEATING Artur Beterbiyev - Gvozsyk explains why canelo beats him
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2OaH15W5Ls






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[aboutfkntime]

Lol. People comparing Usyk to Toney in another thread... Totally neglecting the level of competition faced by Toney. Similar thing here... Usyk is remarkable. He did something outstanding in making adjustments to his approach after Chisora. BUT in a division where most is shiat one has to be circimspect when comparing Tyson Fury, who isn't shiat... to Usyk. Just like comparing Usyk to a great fighter totally neglecting the difference in levels of competition fought.

Making adjustments and having a set of skills that can be imposing (literally)... as in... a fighter who is heads above can impose himself on fighters who are below. But there are levels to the game. And Fury is not a fighter that can be easily imposed upon... Great fighters are like that, they do things to stop what you are doing to be effective.

People who do not see the genius of how Fury beat Vlad are just not seeing subtlety. Why get into a punch out when you can use feints, timing, and a few well placed punches to win the match? Charley Burley who we have limited film of, beat fighters throwing 5 punches a round... what do people think that a fighter that averaged 150 punches a round would do that against Burley? Lol... The best defense is one that stops the punch before it comes...

I don't even know how Usyk versus Fury plays out... have not analyzed it carefully yet... But I can tell you this: Usyk is not hitting Fury with a ton of punches at will like he did Joshua... not jumping a gear at will. If he has a chance at winning, it will come from figuring out a way to catch Fury now and then... adjusting to the difference in reach to do so.

Fury has a back leg game... So intelligent men of Boxing Scene ask yourself this question, who has Usyk fought that has a respectable back leg game? Mike HUnter? Maybe Bellew? Not really... Bellew just has excellent shoulder and head movement. How is Usyk going to get to a Fury planted on his back leg? throwing a jab when Usyk changes angles/resets?

My point is... if you think this through, one thing is for sure: regardless of who wins, Usyk will not do what he did to Joshua.

GOOD post !

anyone who thinks that the Fury who fought Wilder, would show up for Usyk... is tripping






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[Stuntman Mike]

until Fury, it worked on EVERY single opponent he faced

FACT: Usyk is not Tyson Fury

against Fury... 70/30 to Fury

against Wilder... 50/50, slightly leaning toward Wilder

Joshua was slow, and timid... Fury and Wilder are neither of those things






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And who are we talking about exactly?
Luiz "already has his coffin measured" ortiz?
Bermaine "all he can eat" Stiverne?

Name the credible opposition wilder has kod

I'm not comparing him to Joshua ,Joshua had far more boxing skills than wilder could ever dream off

He sets up punches and is opertunistic as we even seen at times against usyk

Wilder throws a long left jab followed by the right hand and inbetween that one move gets soundly boxed by the likes of molina...up at elite that stuff just doesn't work but it does show just how bad fury is to be caught by it

[Stuntman Mike]

Lol. People comparing Usyk to Toney in another thread... Totally neglecting the level of competition faced by Toney. Similar thing here... Usyk is remarkable. He did something outstanding in making adjustments to his approach after Chisora. BUT in a division where most is shiat one has to be circimspect when comparing Tyson Fury, who isn't shiat... to Usyk. Just like comparing Usyk to a great fighter totally neglecting the difference in levels of competition fought.

Making adjustments and having a set of skills that can be imposing (literally)... as in... a fighter who is heads above can impose himself on fighters who are below. But there are levels to the game. And Fury is not a fighter that can be easily imposed upon... Great fighters are like that, they do things to stop what you are doing to be effective.

People who do not see the genius of how Fury beat Vlad are just not seeing subtlety. Why get into a punch out when you can use feints, timing, and a few well placed punches to win the match? Charley Burley who we have limited film of, beat fighters throwing 5 punches a round... what do people think that a fighter that averaged 150 punches a round would do that against Burley? Lol... The best defense is one that stops the punch before it comes...

I don't even know how Usyk versus Fury plays out... have not analyzed it carefully yet... But I can tell you this: Usyk is not hitting Fury with a ton of punches at will like he did Joshua... not jumping a gear at will. If he has a chance at winning, it will come from figuring out a way to catch Fury now and then... adjusting to the difference in reach to do so.

Fury has a back leg game... So intelligent men of Boxing Scene ask yourself this question, who has Usyk fought that has a respectable back leg game? Mike HUnter? Maybe Bellew? Not really... Bellew just has excellent shoulder and head movement. How is Usyk going to get to a Fury planted on his back leg? throwing a jab when Usyk changes angles/resets?

My point is... if you think this through, one thing is for sure: regardless of who wins, Usyk will not do what he did to Joshua.

It's true usyk won't do what he did to Joshua That's a fair point but do you seriously believe Fury can do what he did against wilder to usyk?

Or what he did against a gun shy dwindled reflexes wlad?

Did you see how gone wilder was 4 rounds before he was stopped in the 2nd and 3rd fights and fury struggled to close the show or land anything significant on a dazed gassed and inexperienced gut with no head movement or footwork that started boxing at 25 let's not forget


The fight could go a number of ways but let's not downplay usyk and build up fury


We should also not forget fury has been dropped and hurt by pavjic a nobody bum and a feather fisted cruiserweight in Steve cunningham...

If usyk gets fury hurt at any point he has proven to capitalise when he does unlike wilder who nullifies his own work or the other two mentioned

Is it so hard to imagine fury jabbing and throwing a clumsy right hand at some point and being countered by an overhand left that flatte s him once again?

Wilder and klitschko are not counter punchers and don't capitalise on things that usyk does...

Wladimir breaks guys down with his own attacks not known as a counter punchers

And we all know what wilder does certainly not a counter puncher..he catches people off guard with his quick right hand

Both styles tailor made for fury




Plus all this talk of bellew I seriously think prime bellew at cruiser would stop wilder

[billeau2]

It's true usyk won't do what he did to Joshua That's a fair point but do you seriously believe Fury can do what he did against wilder to usyk?

Or what he did against a gun shy dwindled reflexes wlad?

Did you see how gone wilder was 4 rounds before he was stopped in the 2nd and 3rd fights and fury struggled to close the show or land anything significant on a dazed gassed and inexperienced gut with no head movement or footwork that started boxing at 25 let's not forget


The fight could go a number of ways but let's not downplay usyk and build up fury


We should also not forget fury has been dropped and hurt by pavjic a nobody bum and a feather fisted cruiserweight in Steve cunningham...

If usyk gets fury hurt at any point he has proven to capitalise when he does unlike wilder who nullifies his own work or the other two mentioned

Is it so hard to imagine fury jabbing and throwing a clumsy right hand at some point and being countered by an overhand left that flatte s him once again?

Wilder and klitschko are not counter punchers and don't capitalise on things that usyk does...

Wladimir breaks guys down with his own attacks not known as a counter punchers

And we all know what wilder does certainly not a counter puncher..he catches people off guard with his quick right hand

Both styles tailor made for fury




Plus all this talk of bellew I seriously think prime bellew at cruiser would stop wilder

Lets go point by point:

1) Wilder is such a different fight... Its apples to oranges. You don't beat Wilder like you beat Usyk.
2) Fury put on a master class against Vlad. If you want to punch me in the face, I can get hit, block, or make you not throw the punch... Vlad couldn't pull the string because Fury prevented it... I mean watch the fight, its all there...
3) Wilder is a puncher... He has athletic ability and the ability to land the big punch... he will always be dangerous for that reason. I agree with you that if he was fighting in a stronger division he would not get as far... Punchers like Lyle and Foreman always had problems with boxers... But EVEN in those times, guys like Shavers dropped you occasionally. Fury getting dropped is part of the process. Apparently Wilder is so fast, (watch him stepping in for the punch... his footwork) that he catches you... Jones could catch you... even if you beat him he caught you.
4) Im not down playing Usyk... I did not even predict a winner... I just stated matter of fact what Usyk is dealing with when fighting Fury. The point being that to expect Usyk to do what he does against a fighter, in a chronically weak division with holes in his game, to Fury is short sighted.
5) Fighters used to get dropped a lot... Its actually debatable how much that reflects on chin...Look at Louis, he went down plenty... even when Schmelling beat him, Louis rose... But he never was Knocked Out. Fury has shown you can knock him down, but he gets up again...
6) Cunningham is not feather fisted. He is actually a chronically underated fighter... kind of like Orlanda Salidad... Cunningham is a solid puncher and is technically well accomplished.
7) Try throwing a counter to a guy with a reach twice that of your own... Possible yes, probable, not really, at least not regularly.
8) When you describe Wilder and Klitsko as "tailor made" for Fury what you are really saying is we don't know how Fury will do against a fellow technical fighter... And I agree with you which is why I am a little hesitant to declare who would win this...

Just keep in mind that Usyk has to use angles very well to counter Fury. Ive often said that if you really watch Usyk he is deceptive: as technical as he is, he is also very strong physically and likes to manhandle his opponents when he can. Don't believe me? watch the Michael Hunter fight... He can't do that with Fury. He can do this to a weakened Joshua, something I predicted he would do at a certain point... and I ain't no genius lol.

Good as Usyk is, its hard to figure out a path for victory against Fury IMO.

[Stuntman Mike]

Lets go point by point:

1) Wilder is such a different fight... Its apples to oranges. You don't beat Wilder like you beat Usyk.
2) Fury put on a master class against Vlad. If you want to punch me in the face, I can get hit, block, or make you not throw the punch... Vlad couldn't pull the string because Fury prevented it... I mean watch the fight, its all there...
3) Wilder is a puncher... He has athletic ability and the ability to land the big punch... he will always be dangerous for that reason. I agree with you that if he was fighting in a stronger division he would not get as far... Punchers like Lyle and Foreman always had problems with boxers... But EVEN in those times, guys like Shavers dropped you occasionally. Fury getting dropped is part of the process. Apparently Wilder is so fast, (watch him stepping in for the punch... his footwork) that he catches you... Jones could catch you... even if you beat him he caught you.
4) Im not down playing Usyk... I did not even predict a winner... I just stated matter of fact what Usyk is dealing with when fighting Fury. The point being that to expect Usyk to do what he does against a fighter, in a chronically weak division with holes in his game, to Fury is short sighted.
5) Fighters used to get dropped a lot... Its actually debatable how much that reflects on chin...Look at Louis, he went down plenty... even when Schmelling beat him, Louis rose... But he never was Knocked Out. Fury has shown you can knock him down, but he gets up again...
6) Cunningham is not feather fisted. He is actually a chronically underated fighter... kind of like Orlanda Salidad... Cunningham is a solid puncher and is technically well accomplished.
7) Try throwing a counter to a guy with a reach twice that of your own... Possible yes, probable, not really, at least not regularly.
8) When you describe Wilder and Klitsko as "tailor made" for Fury what you are really saying is we don't know how Fury will do against a fellow technical fighter... And I agree with you which is why I am a little hesitant to declare who would win this...

Just keep in mind that Usyk has to use angles very well to counter Fury. Ive often said that if you really watch Usyk he is deceptive: as technical as he is, he is also very strong physically and likes to manhandle his opponents when he can. Don't believe me? watch the Michael Hunter fight... He can't do that with Fury. He can do this to a weakened Joshua, something I predicted he would do at a certain point... and I ain't no genius lol.

Good as Usyk is, its hard to figure out a path for victory against Fury IMO.

Fury is honestly overated you're only focusing on the good stuff he does he makes a hell of a lot of mistakes that a top fighter who doesn't mind taking a slap (unlike wlad) will capitalise on

[billeau2]

Fury is honestly overated you're only focusing on the good stuff he does he makes a hell of a lot of mistakes that a top fighter who doesn't mind taking a slap (unlike wlad) will capitalise on

I don't know about over, or underated... But lets talk "mistakes." Human beings evolve and learn through making mistakes. Its a central principle teaching people martial arts... for the secondary years of training, from about the 5th to the 10th year, one of the best things a student can do, it try things out... get on the mat, muscle techniques, try doing things different, without building bad habits, just conditioning the body and mind to find how things work, and when they do not... After this period one then builds habits and evolves so no mistakes are binding... for a fighter at the apex level the real challenge is to be good enough to get away with making mistakes...

Lets use Usyk as an example... Usyk made a lot of mistakes against Chisora. Usyk knew this and made many adjustments... for example, not moving back in straight lines... Improving and increasing head movement, etc.

Mistakes and adjustments make fighters great... the way to avoid holes with these mistakes is to make adjustments when they need to be made. Both Fury and
Usyk make adjustments in the ring... Want an example with Fury? changing the way he fought Wilder... Being what Bread calls "the puncher" (the guy who takes the punch better in the fight) instead of the boxer.

I can only tell you from experience that mistakes are different from bad habits. The better fighters know the difference.

[aboutfkntime]

And who are we talking about exactly?
Luiz "already has his coffin measured" ortiz?
Bermaine "all he can eat" Stiverne?

Name the credible opposition wilder has kod

I'm not comparing him to Joshua ,Joshua had far more boxing skills than wilder could ever dream off

He sets up punches and is opertunistic as we even seen at times against usyk

Wilder throws a long left jab followed by the right hand and inbetween that one move gets soundly boxed by the likes of molina...up at elite that stuff just doesn't work but it does show just how bad fury is to be caught by it

I would just about bet my life that you are a Golovkin fan

that hypejob AJ got beaten up, again... no surprise that the casuals were so shocked they immediately proceeded to jump on Usyk's ****

the guy who was getting touched up by Tony " average " Bellew... is not beating Tyson Fury

you are setting yourself up for embarrassment, which is fine by me

I don't believe in that "moral high ground" garbage, so we can - and will - be discussing this at a later date LMAO







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[aboutfkntime]

Lets go point by point:

1) Wilder is such a different fight... Its apples to oranges. You don't beat Wilder like you beat Usyk.
2) Fury put on a master class against Vlad. If you want to punch me in the face, I can get hit, block, or make you not throw the punch... Vlad couldn't pull the string because Fury prevented it... I mean watch the fight, its all there...
3) Wilder is a puncher... He has athletic ability and the ability to land the big punch... he will always be dangerous for that reason. I agree with you that if he was fighting in a stronger division he would not get as far... Punchers like Lyle and Foreman always had problems with boxers... But EVEN in those times, guys like Shavers dropped you occasionally. Fury getting dropped is part of the process. Apparently Wilder is so fast, (watch him stepping in for the punch... his footwork) that he catches you... Jones could catch you... even if you beat him he caught you.
4) Im not down playing Usyk... I did not even predict a winner... I just stated matter of fact what Usyk is dealing with when fighting Fury. The point being that to expect Usyk to do what he does against a fighter, in a chronically weak division with holes in his game, to Fury is short sighted.
5) Fighters used to get dropped a lot... Its actually debatable how much that reflects on chin...Look at Louis, he went down plenty... even when Schmelling beat him, Louis rose... But he never was Knocked Out. Fury has shown you can knock him down, but he gets up again...
6) Cunningham is not feather fisted. He is actually a chronically underated fighter... kind of like Orlanda Salidad... Cunningham is a solid puncher and is technically well accomplished.
7) Try throwing a counter to a guy with a reach twice that of your own... Possible yes, probable, not really, at least not regularly.
8) When you describe Wilder and Klitsko as "tailor made" for Fury what you are really saying is we don't know how Fury will do against a fellow technical fighter... And I agree with you which is why I am a little hesitant to declare who would win this...

Just keep in mind that Usyk has to use angles very well to counter Fury. Ive often said that if you really watch Usyk he is deceptive: as technical as he is, he is also very strong physically and likes to manhandle his opponents when he can. Don't believe me? watch the Michael Hunter fight... He can't do that with Fury. He can do this to a weakened Joshua, something I predicted he would do at a certain point... and I ain't no genius lol.

Good as Usyk is, its hard to figure out a path for victory against Fury IMO.

I cannot see how he can possibly win that fight

it is HILARIOUS to hear punters insist that Fury has no chance






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[billeau2]

I cannot see how he can possibly win that fight

it is HILARIOUS to hear punters insist that Fury has no chance






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I can't either lol.