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How will Canelo beat Caleb Plant??
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Originally posted by billeau2 View Post
Canelo has the power and as people say... he is a boxer puncher with the punch of a pure boxer and the boxing skill of a premier boxer. This means he has many conceviable ways to win the fight...rather than point these out, which is something many others have done admirably, I would like to point out some of the fallicies I see with making Canelo such a favorite in this fight.
While its true that Canelo CAN win the fight in many ways, he cannot necessarily win them using all those ways. He will have a sense of what strategy he wants to implement and use one primary strategy, with the intention of going back to the toolbox if he is not intitially succesful. In so doing, rounds will pass, and if his initial strategy is wrong, Plant's confidence will grow, rounds will (in theory) go to Plant...etc. Of course the judges love Canelo... but that is another issue.
In actuality? Canelo is probably going to try to blast Plant out of there. That is really the only strategy that Plant has to prepare for... If Canelo fails to do this, and it is obvious he is compromised in so doing... Canelo can start to box, and use his other skills but Plant at that point will have minimized a lot of strenghts regarding Canelo and brought him down to earth (so to speak).
Plant has not faced someone as good as Canelo... True. But that does not mean he will falter. It is simply a case of him being ready, or not ready to face Canelo. Canelo is not unbeatable. I like the Trout fight in particular to illustrate how Canelo can be outmanuveured by a really good and mobile fighter who makes it hard for Saul to stay in the pocket.
Plant is imo a lot like Trout... It remains to be seen if he can do what Trout did against Canelo.
Plant has some advantages given that his style is not one that Canelo handles particularly well.
If I am Plant, I prepare for an initial onslaught, I keep mobile, try to come in at angles that are hard to counter (change the usual distance on any punch by throwing it at an acward angle). I want to keep Canelo off balance and from setting up in the pocket. In so doing, i have to watch Canelo's counter punching. As I get Canelo more frustrated, I can take more chances.... I am looking for a moral victory because I am not KOing Canelo and no judge will give me a decision.
I mean, no fighter is unbeatable, that's obvious.
I got Canelo winning but I would not be surprised if Plant wins.
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Points, maybe late stoppage.
Canelo isn’t a huge puncher. He could land at Callum smith at will, never dropped him or hurt him. He landed a punch on Saunders that caused a freak injury that wouldn’t happen if they fought another 99 times, but never looked like he could drop him. He could never hurt Jacobs who’s been knocked out before and dropped many times. Never hurt Cotto who had been hurt by smaller fighters and the list goes on.
The only person he’s put on the floor in years is Yildirim and even Eubank Jr stopped him in the same amount of time or quicker. Canelo is a very sharp puncher, but not huge power.
He can obviously **** a bit, but against decent level fighters, he never looks like really putting them out with a big shot or anything, rarely even wobbles them.
That said, when Plant beat Uzcátegui, although he won, It look like you could get to Plant down the stretch if you applied enough pressure. So I could see a late stoppageLast edited by deathofaclown; 11-01-2021, 12:45 PM.billeau2 likes this.
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Originally posted by deathofaclown View PostPoints, maybe late stoppage.
Canelo isn’t a huge puncher. He could land at Callum smith at will, never dropped him or hurt him. He landed a punch on Saunders that caused a freak injury that wouldn’t happen if they fought another 99 times, but never looked like he could drop him. He could never hurt Jacobs who’s been knocked out before and dropped many times. Never hurt Cotto who had been hurt by smaller fighters and the list goes on.
The only person he’s put on the floor in years is Yildirim and even Eubank Jr stopped him in the same amount of time or quicker. Canelo is a very sharp puncher, but not huge power.
He can obviously **** a bit, but against decent level fighters, he never looks like really putting them out with a big shot or anything, rarely even wobbles them.
That said, when Plant beat Uzcátegui, although he won, It look like you could get to Plant down the stretch if you applied enough pressure. So I could see a late stoppage
Yet I think Canelo's consistency will do the trick in the fight.
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Originally posted by deathofaclown View PostPoints, maybe late stoppage.
Canelo isn’t a huge puncher. He could land at Callum smith at will, never dropped him or hurt him. He landed a punch on Saunders that caused a freak injury that wouldn’t happen if they fought another 99 times, but never looked like he could drop him. He could never hurt Jacobs who’s been knocked out before and dropped many times. Never hurt Cotto who had been hurt by smaller fighters and the list goes on.
The only person he’s put on the floor in years is Yildirim and even Eubank Jr stopped him in the same amount of time or quicker. Canelo is a very sharp puncher, but not huge power.
He can obviously **** a bit, but against decent level fighters, he never looks like really putting them out with a big shot or anything, rarely even wobbles them.
That said, when Plant beat Uzcátegui, although he won, It look like you could get to Plant down the stretch if you applied enough pressure. So I could see a late stoppage
Your analysis about the nature of Canelo's power is spot on... And what occurs to me Psychologically speaking... even if this is a hybrid division, Plant is established and has fought in it primarily. Canelo is in the division and most people think he has peaked here... Caleb Plant is right for the weight and is very comfortable at the weight...
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