Has Manny surpassed Tito on the ATG list?

[Obama]

If he retires now, yes. If he falls off as bad as Tito did, no.

[El Chicano]

If he retires now, yes. If he falls off as bad as Tito did, no.

Tito should have stayed retired after his farewell fight in PR in 2002.

[strugler]

Not "just like BHOP" B-Hop is as skilled as they come; Cotto doesn't compare. Manny will hit Cotto twice as many times as Tito hit Bernard.

yes.......trinidad was left hook crazy that night.............he was going through a rough divorce...........fight was postpone............BHOP's mental game took a toll on the great trinidad..........i doubt PAC will rely on the left straight.......but PAC is kinda acting like a "diva" lately.........watch rocky3...........the change in location will have a negative toll on the pacman's game...............hope roach and pac patch it up.................

[El Chicano]

yes.......trinidad was left hook crazy that night.............he was going through a rough divorce...........fight was postpone............BHOP's mental game took a toll on the great trinidad..........i doubt PAC will rely on the left straight.......but PAC is kinda acting like a "diva" lately.........watch rocky3...........the change in location will have a negative toll on the pacman's game...............hope roach and pac patch it up.................

Rocky III....................... LMAO...........................

[strugler]

Rocky III....................... LMAO...........................

Cotto is clubber lang................PAC is working out while mickey/roach is telling him not to underestimate clubber/cotto..................so similar its scary................

[Check]

Its a debate if Tito is a top 100 fighter of all time. Its not even a debate if Manny is a top, more of a debate maybe top 30 of all time. Manny passed Tito a long time ago.

[big_james10]

If not, will a KO win over Cotto propel him above the great Puerto Rican puncher?

No way. Not unless he fights and beats he best fighters available. He avoided the best three fighters at 135 and fought only one of the top contenders at 140. There are at least two others available for him to fight at 140. He will fight his first top fighter at 147 in November. If he is to get to ATG level, he would have to beat Cotto, fight and beat or at least compete well against Mayweather and then beat Mosley/Clottey winner or move back down to 140 and beat either Bradley or whoever is the top contender there. If he does those things, then we can include him in the ATG conversation.

My idea of an ATG is Roy Jones Jr. He fought and beat the best at 160, 168, 175 and then moved up to heavyweight and won a championship there. Regardless of his losses and setbacks over the last few years, he has established his legacy. Pac has avoided half of the best fighters available to him.

[El Chicano]

Manny is no where near a natural Welter in terms of size. He's the same size as MAB, Erik Morales and Juan Manuel Marquez, natural Jr Feathers and Featherwieghts. Yet he's been able to move up to 135 and KTFO David Diaz, picking up a strap in his first fight in the division. Then he jumps 2 weight classes and schools and makes Oscar quit on his stool. He then moves back down, this time to 140 and KFTO Hatton in TWO ROUNDS! That **** is unheard of for a fighter Manny's size. Now he's a 2 to 1 favorite against one of the top Welters in the World. Seriously, you should reassess your idea of an ATG fighter.

[KingTito]

I'd say so. I love Tito, but I have to give it to Pacquiao.

[El Chicano]

I'd say so. I love Tito, but I have to give it to Pacquiao.

His fights with MAB, Erik and JMM were enough to put him on par or better than Tito, IMO... The impressive beatdowns of Oscar and Ricky secured the deal.