Comments Thread For: New Persona, New Trainer, Same Result For Wilder in Fury III

[Oregonian]

Very true. You don't need to be a rocket scientist to see that.

But you probably do need to be a moron to think that one fight is the only indicator available rather than their respective careers, skills, strengths and styles.

'Look what happened last time' is about the most basic opinion a person could have.

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It wasn’t a “look what happened last time” opinion. It’s a look what happened in two fights.

Even after looking at the other aspects you mention, Fury is still a betting favorite. The same is the case with most fighters UNLESS they are evenly matched. Fury pretty much showed that he had the edge over Wilder. Twice
Hence the logical conclusion. That said, we all know one punch can end a fight in the HW division. That is literally the only chance Wilder has.

[Marchegiano]

New persona?

[b Murphington]

Fury is just so far ahead of Wilder in technical ability that unless fury comes in poor condition or his mind isn't right, I can't see Wilder winning.

The fortunate thing for Wilder is there is always a chance of that happening with Fury's inconsistency so he can have some hope.

The reality is Wilder doesn't deserve this fight, and Fury should be undisputed champion right now, but he's forced his undeserved rematch clause after losing twice and making the most pathetic list of excuses in boxing history, so he BETTER be bringing something to this fight because if he just gets murked again I'll be happy to see him never fight again tbh.

Wilder absolutely deserves this fight for the simple fact that the rematch clause was in the contract! Not only that, but the courts ruled in favor of Wilder, which further illustrates the point that he does deserve the fight, if not based on ethics, then he legally deserves this fight!

Whether or not he will win remains to be seen, but that’s not the point. Also, Fury trying to bypass the rematch knowing that Wilder was requesting a rematch tells you that Fury lacks character.

[Toffee]

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It wasn’t a “look what happened last time” opinion. It’s a look what happened in two fights.

Even after looking at the other aspects you mention, Fury is still a betting favorite. The same is the case with most fighters UNLESS they are evenly matched. Fury pretty much showed that he had the edge over Wilder. Twice
Hence the logical conclusion. That said, we all know one punch can end a fight in the HW division. That is literally the only chance Wilder has.

Agreed. Fury is a betting favourite for good reason. I expect him to win, as I did for the previous fights.

But the odds are far too short on him. For me, Wilder has as much chance in this fight as he did last time out. He's got a puncher's chance and given he's an exceptional puncher, that's not as diminished a chance as when you'd usually say it.

The idea that Fury will stop him easily just because he did it last time doesn't stack up. The rematch was stopped because Fury burst Wilder's eardrum - there's a fair amount of bad luck in that. Fury was more aggressive but he's never been one to stop fighters at a high level. He didn't even really commit to it with a clearly damaged Wilder in front of him. He stayed careful and stuck to a gameplan, just as he did against Hammer and Chisora when they were there for the taking.

Fury's entire career and Wilder's entire career are much better indicators than just the ending of the last fight.

My money is on the fight going the distance unless Wilder lands something meaningful. Unless one of them has got completely the wrong plan or preparation.

[Frankie Coffeecake]

Wilder absolutely deserves this fight for the simple fact that the rematch clause was in the contract! Not only that, but the courts ruled in favor of Wilder, which further illustrates the point that he does deserve the fight, if not based on ethics, then he legally deserves this fight!

Whether or not he will win remains to be seen, but that’s not the point. Also, Fury trying to bypass the rematch knowing that Wilder was requesting a rematch tells you that Fury lacks character.

Wilder was given like 12 months to do the rematch and kept silent because he needed nearly 2 years to recover mentally from the beating he took, he only took the rematch at the very last second when fury was about to sign the undisputed fight after 18 months of silence from Wilder.

He lost twice and held up the division for 2 years for his undeserved third chance.

I hope he is badly beaten. Again.

[Frankie Coffeecake]

Agreed. Fury is a betting favourite for good reason. I expect him to win, as I did for the previous fights.

But the odds are far too short on him. For me, Wilder has as much chance in this fight as he did last time out. He's got a puncher's chance and given he's an exceptional puncher, that's not as diminished a chance as when you'd usually say it.

The idea that Fury will stop him easily just because he did it last time doesn't stack up. The rematch was stopped because Fury burst Wilder's eardrum - there's a fair amount of bad luck in that. Fury was more aggressive but he's never been one to stop fighters at a high level. He didn't even really commit to it with a clearly damaged Wilder in front of him. He stayed careful and stuck to a gameplan, just as he did against Hammer and Chisora when they were there for the taking.

Fury's entire career and Wilder's entire career are much better indicators than just the ending of the last fight.

My money is on the fight going the distance unless Wilder lands something meaningful. Unless one of them has got completely the wrong plan or preparation.

I think the +300 on Fury is generous, wilders boxing ability is so far below fury and Fury has had 20 rounds with Wilder and is always better in rematches.

If this rematch was a year ago fury would be +500 or wider

+300 is free money and a decent return.

[FLY TY]

Fury is just so far ahead of Wilder in technical ability that unless fury comes in poor condition or his mind isn't right, I can't see Wilder winning.

The fortunate thing for Wilder is there is always a chance of that happening with Fury's inconsistency so he can have some hope.

The reality is Wilder doesn't deserve this fight, and Fury should be undisputed champion right now, but he's forced his undeserved rematch clause after losing twice and making the most pathetic list of excuses in boxing history, so he BETTER be bringing something to this fight because if he just gets murked again I'll be happy to see him never fight again tbh.

He deserves a rematch, because Fury agreed to it before the second fight. You morons don't get to pick and choose what contracts are honored.

[Oregonian]

Agreed. Fury is a betting favourite for good reason. I expect him to win, as I did for the previous fights.

But the odds are far too short on him. For me, Wilder has as much chance in this fight as he did last time out. He's got a puncher's chance and given he's an exceptional puncher, that's not as diminished a chance as when you'd usually say it.

The idea that Fury will stop him easily just because he did it last time doesn't stack up. The rematch was stopped because Fury burst Wilder's eardrum - there's a fair amount of bad luck in that. Fury was more aggressive but he's never been one to stop fighters at a high level. He didn't even really commit to it with a clearly damaged Wilder in front of him. He stayed careful and stuck to a gameplan, just as he did against Hammer and Chisora when they were there for the taking.

Fury's entire career and Wilder's entire career are much better indicators than just the ending of the last fight.

My money is on the fight going the distance unless Wilder lands something meaningful. Unless one of them has got completely the wrong plan or preparation.

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You know, even if I disagree with you, the fact that you took the time to respond and make a logical case for your sentiments, it becomes easier to actually agree with you. That’s not usually the case with Wilder fans.
The only I can say is, Fury being more aggressive should not be an excuse as to why Wilser was caught off guard. McGregor said the same thing after Floyd beat him.
Boxers usually have a whole team behind them & if they only have one plan, then that’s on them. It should never be an excuse.

Andre Ward was once described as the most resourceful boxer ever. I thought it was a perfect description of him. Ward found a way to win. Always
whether it was just boxing skills, holding, rough house tactics or just plain old stick and move, he found a way to make the other guy uncomfortable. Same can be said of Floyd (without the being dirty) so Wilder should have prepared for everything

[Toffee]

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You know, even if I disagree with you, the fact that you took the time to respond and make a logical case for your sentiments, it becomes easier to actually agree with you. That’s not usually the case with Wilder fans.
The only I can say is, Fury being more aggressive should not be an excuse as to why Wilser was caught off guard. McGregor said the same thing after Floyd beat him.
Boxers usually have a whole team behind them & if they only have one plan, then that’s on them. It should never be an excuse.

Andre Ward was once described as the most resourceful boxer ever. I thought it was a perfect description of him. Ward found a way to win. Always
whether it was just boxing skills, holding, rough house tactics or just plain old stick and move, he found a way to make the other guy uncomfortable. Same can be said of Floyd (without the being dirty) so Wilder should have prepared for everything

Cheers mate, and appreciate the back and forth. Though I should point out I'm no Wilder fan. If I'm anything I used to be a Fury fan but can't defend the things that others choose to overlook... but I'll be supporting him on Saturday.

Wilder should have a plan B, but we all know he barely has a plan A. Plan A is wait, wait, hit. It might be limited but it got him where it did and I'm not convinced he can afford to change up against a much better boxer (except maybe lose some of the 'wait' bit).

I've always thought the ability to make adjustments and find a way to win are what separates good and great. It's why Wilder will never be great.

But I still don't see Fury stopping him. I don't see Fury going out to stop anyone. He's built a body of work on grinding people down until they just can't win. Wilder's different in that he can almost always win. I reckon he'll be in there a long time.

[Tag, You're Hit]

Wilder was given like 12 months to do the rematch and kept silent because he needed nearly 2 years to recover mentally from the beating he took, he only took the rematch at the very last second when fury was about to sign the undisputed fight after 18 months of silence from Wilder.

He lost twice and held up the division for 2 years for his undeserved third chance.

I hope he is badly beaten. Again.

Get your facts right, bruh. For one, it won't be 2 years since the last fight until February 2022. For two, this went to arbitration in late 2020, after Fury & co. backed out. Third, he lost twice in your opinion. I think Wilder won the first fight but I'm not mad about the draw.

And I notice you didn't reply to my previous reply to your first post (page 3 of comments), choosing instead to reply to b morph. But I forgive you.