AJ isn't overrated/overhyped - he's just an insecure guy trying to please everyone

[BangEM]

This is one of the few times I wished AJ had grew up in one of the roughest parts of London - that "I don't give a monkey" mentality would've been instilled in him from early and he'd be better for it. And that's one thing Whyte has that AJ lacks.

AJ isn't overrated/overhyped and his talent is actually underrated, especially for a guy who started late. However, he's a confused insecure who wants to be a throwback fighter but lacks the mentality to be one. When you start thinking you can beat everyone despite not having the right set-up around you and experienced trainers at the top professional level - you're going to get embarrassed from time to time. And his two losses came with doing things that forbidden in boxing. NEVER HOOK WITH A HOOKER AND NEVER BOX WITH A BOXER. Floyd Mayweather said it best when he said, "I fight with a boxer and box with a fighter". But because AJ is so insecure and he's caught up in an image of trying to please everyone - he went against these basic rules.

Also, as a boxer, he's too nice and sometimes he acts like a fan of other boxer rather than a champion. He acts like a guy who's just happy to be there rather than a guy who's the centre of attraction and the reason why everyone is there. In America, he was more occupied with trying to be loved by American celebrities rather than focusing on Ruiz. And against Usyk, he was acting like Usyk is his dad whilst showing him too much respect rather than the little man he's from a lower weight class trying to take what belongs to him. And all these boil down insecurity issues.

The way he gets pushed around by Hearn all the time is baffling. You're the boss - act like it. Despite all these antics, a lot of people still don't rate/like him. So why not say, ffffck it, be true to yourself and stand firm?

He beats Usyk in the rematch with a better trainer. But he needs to check back into boxing and take charge. He's almost there at the pinnacle of the greats and a 3-fight run is all he needs. Fffck all that commercial and prettyboy nonsense and go all out for the next 3 fights and retire. The tools are there!

[PRINCEKOOL]

I think Joshua does act like the boss, and is in charge. I honestly don't think you can faultier Eddie Hearn, he is very compassionate towards Joshua.

But there is something amiss with Joshua's attitude, the constant laughing and joking, and wanting to be best mates with all of his opponents. I have no idea what that is all about, he cannot claim that he was influenced by Kiltschko 'Because Kiltschko never behaved in such ways'.

There was a distinct change in Joshua, and it did happen around Ruiz I. All the matey matey stuff, and then after Ruiz I he transcended into the obsession 'Even Hearn himself has alluded to this, he has stated that Joshua is over complicated everything. That is exactly what sport science does to athletes these days, a lot of it is just compartmentalization it is a science which dislike hollistic training 'Which boxing has historically been all about'.

I think Joshua will win the rematch with Uysk, and he will still scrap his way through the rest of his career. What people need to understand about Joshua, is that he does not fight the same fight twice 'He knows now that all the training he did for Uysk was not good enough, or optimal'.

The question is now, what adaptions will he make? Will they be the right ones? On your other thread, myself a few others all 'Seemed to think Joshua needs to go back to being himself, he is not a masterful boxer'. What won him Olympic Gold medals, was raw physicality, basic fundamentals and combination punching mixed in with a attitude that would not be denied.

It is all documented, if he wants to duplicated his former style Pre Ruiz I. He can reintroduce that lifestyle once again, and training 'He can do all of this'.

[Lance98]

Wlad and vitali Klitchko have that friendly mentality/vibe, but klitchko(vitali in particular) is ice cold in the ring when the bell rings and wants to hurt you. AJ does have some of that in him as seen in his past fights against guys he don't like, but he needs more of it against other friendly guys like usyk.

[JakeTheBoxer]

He just lacks the heart of warrior. He quit against Ruiz, that showed everything.

[The Big Dunn]

No ****em. He’s not as good as some Brits like you proclaim. He’s solid, no doubt. Has some good skills.

Some of you are just so eager to anoint him the next great fighter that you can’t see his shortcomings.

[KingGilgamesh]

I think Joshua does act like the boss, and is in charge. I honestly don't think you can faultier Eddie Hearn, he is very compassionate towards Joshua.

But there is something amiss with Joshua's attitude, the constant laughing and joking, and wanting to be best mates with all of his opponents. I have no idea what that is all about, he cannot claim that he was influenced by Kiltschko 'Because Kiltschko never behaved in such ways'.

There was a distinct change in Joshua, and it did happen around Ruiz I. All the matey matey stuff, and then after Ruiz I he transcended into the obsession 'Even Hearn himself has alluded to this, he has stated that Joshua is over complicated everything. That is exactly what sport science does to athletes these days, a lot of it is just compartmentalization it is a science which dislike hollistic training 'Which boxing has historically been all about'.

I think Joshua will win the rematch with Uysk, and he will still scrap his way through the rest of his career. What people need to understand about Joshua, is that he does not fight the same fight twice 'He knows now that all the training he did for Uysk was not good enough, or optimal'.

The question is now, what adaptions will he make? Will they be the right ones? On your other thread, myself a few others all 'Seemed to think Joshua needs to go back to being himself, he is not a masterful boxer'. What won him Olympic Gold medals, was raw physicality, basic fundamentals and combination punching mixed in with a attitude that would not be denied.

It is all documented, if he wants to duplicated his former style Pre Ruiz I. He can reintroduce that lifestyle once again, and training 'He can do all of this'.

Joshua is in no way a boss.

****Em is actually **** on. I'm assuming he's black because as someone who's black and grew up in inner city London, I know exactly what he is talking about.

Joshua has no control over his career. And trying to claim so, after signing a lifetime deal on the cusp of the biggest fight of his career so far, is either idiotic and delusional.

I'm glad to see his fans (or at least his real ones) getting this now.

BangEM sees something which most of you don't. If he was raised in London then its clearly what makes the difference. Hearn is precisely the problem. He's lulled Joshua into a false sense of security to make Joshua more malleable in the financial matters. The problem is, malleable men rarely make for great fighters. There is nothing to suggest Joshua will win the rematch because nothing in his previous three fights have shown he is willing to engage in a firefight. Almost every great fighter, when needed, made adjustments or just outright abandoned their corner.

BangEM is probably someone who appreciates Joshua for who is, I think many on here (possibly yourself, can't say) only really appreciate Joshua for what he represents. Hence why the assessments on him are so ****ing bad.

[KingGilgamesh]

No ****em. He’s not as good as some Brits like you proclaim. He’s solid, no doubt. Has some good skills.

Some of you are just so eager to anoint him the next great fighter that you can’t see his shortcomings.

I agree with you both. Joshua in his current incarnation is not a good fighter. But he has the physical prowess, height and willingness to learn it seems. That 90% of the requirements in the division already. There is no reason why he cannot improve. Yes, Joshua was overhyped. But why was he overhyped. Its because he was a jolly, likeable mascot who Brits hope could fly the flag, not say anything controversial and win big fights. Boxing doesn't work like that. Its never worked like that. Guys like Ali, Foreman, Frazier, Johnson, Tyson or Holyfield were never known for being "nice guys".

In the UK we have this thing called class. There is a certain expectation of athletes, particularly black ones, to toe the line and not upset the public or their paymasters. Its one of the reasons Fury was so disillusioned by the British boxing establishment. And yes, some of his plight was indeed self inflicted, but it would be hard to deny that he had a point when he said he felt like he never got the recognition he deserved because he didn't play the game.

Its a deeply political sport.

[hugh grant]

Josh does better as underdog as do many

[PRINCEKOOL]

Joshua is in no way a boss.

****Em is actually **** on. I'm assuming he's black because as someone who's black and grew up in inner city London, I know exactly what he is talking about.

Joshua has no control over his career. And trying to claim so, after signing a lifetime deal on the cusp of the biggest fight of his career so far, is either idiotic and delusional.

I'm glad to see his fans (or at least his real ones) getting this now.

BangEM sees something which most of you don't. If he was raised in London then its clearly what makes the difference. Hearn is precisely the problem. He's lulled Joshua into a false sense of security to make Joshua more malleable in the financial matters. The problem is, malleable men rarely make for great fighters. There is nothing to suggest Joshua will win the rematch because nothing in his previous three fights have shown he is willing to engage in a firefight. Almost every great fighter, when needed, made adjustments or just outright abandoned their corner.

BangEM is probably someone who appreciates Joshua for who is, I think many on here (possibly yourself, can't say) only really appreciate Joshua for what he represents. Hence why the assessments on him are so ****ing bad.

This is about Anthony Joshua, and nobody else. I think he has a big influence on what he does, at all times.

I am not really getting into sociology or where Joshua should be hanging out. He has a giant entourage with plenty of black folk in there, who I would imagine are from rough parts of London.

Joshua is a grown man, he has clearly made a conscious decision to be all matey matey 'For what reason? I don't know'. Joshua was even being all matey matey, during his ringwalk.

Knocking about with some hoodlums is not going to win him the rematch, optimal training and preparation is what will win him the rematch.

That is what I am focusing on, whatever he did pre- Ruiz I 'He needs to duplicate all of that, in his lifestyle and training'.

Because he has clearly changed his approach to the game, and is forcing himself to be something he is not. He needs to just play to his strengths, raw physicality, basic fundamentals and combination punching. If it works out for him? Fantastic, if it does not in the rematch 'I can assure you, it will be a by far better fight'.

I personally think, if he somehow duplicates his former self 'He will win the rematch'.

I don't think Usyk beats the Joshua who fought Kiltschko, but Joshua post Ruiz I 'Is a regressed fighter, and I have been saying this for sometime'.

****Em was not stating this, he was trying to convince everyone on this forum 'That Joshua was transcending, that he was better than he was before'.

Now he realizes, that none of this was the case. And everyone has a different clinical psychological, sociological take on it.

Joshua is a professional athlete, he has family 'He is not going to start hanging about in a hood somewhere with hoodlums'. People coming up in here, saying these wild things need to get real.

[REDEEMER]

This is one of the few times I wished AJ had grew up in one of the roughest parts of London - that "I don't give a monkey" mentality would've been instilled in him from early and he'd be better for it. And that's one thing Whyte has that AJ lacks.

AJ isn't overrated/overhyped and his talent is actually underrated, especially for a guy who started late. However, he's a confused insecure who wants to be a throwback fighter but lacks the mentality to be one. When you start thinking you can beat everyone despite not having the right set-up around you and experienced trainers at the top professional level - you're going to get embarrassed from time to time. And his two losses came with doing things that forbidden in boxing. NEVER HOOK WITH A HOOKER AND NEVER BOX WITH A BOXER. Floyd Mayweather said it best when he said, "I fight with a boxer and box with a fighter". But because AJ is so insecure and he's caught up in an image of trying to please everyone - he went against these basic rules.

Also, as a boxer, he's too nice and sometimes he acts like a fan of other boxer rather than a champion. He acts like a guy who's just happy to be there rather than a guy who's the centre of attraction and the reason why everyone is there. In America, he was more occupied with trying to be loved by American celebrities rather than focusing on Ruiz. And against Usyk, he was acting like Usyk is his dad whilst showing him too much respect rather than the little man he's from a lower weight class trying to take what belongs to him. And all these boil down insecurity issues.

The way he gets pushed around by Hearn all the time is baffling. You're the boss - act like it. Despite all these antics, a lot of people still don't rate/like him. So why not say, ffffck it, be true to yourself and stand firm?

He beats Usyk in the rematch with a better trainer. But he needs to check back into boxing and take charge. He's almost there at the pinnacle of the greats and a 3-fight run is all he needs. Fffck all that commercial and prettyboy nonsense and go all out for the next 3 fights and retire. The tools are there!

Rumor has it he was carrying a right arm injury into the fight which is very plausible considering the far less power punches he threw .