Joshua now wouldn't beat the klitschko he did in 2017

[Frankie Coffeecake]

The 42-year-old Klitschko would have KO'd Joshua had he not backed off and gone for it like Ruiz did after he had him hurt.

75 year old klitschko in 30 years time Ko's AJ

[Frankie Coffeecake]

Yeah, he was absolutely an A-list heavyweight.... won 9 heavyweight title fights and only took a couple "easy" defenses, but people were acting like he was dominating in those wins a la prime Lewis or Klitschko. Not even close.

Joe Joyce also got dominated by Usyk albeit in a six rounder. Usyk proved he is not on a heavyweight, he is the heavyweight, on Saturday.

Tyson Fury is THE heavyweight, Usyk has only beaten Joshua and he sucks, we are yet to see him face one of the top guys.

Fury is bigger, stronger, rougher, faster, more versatile, meaner, far superior stamina, far superior chin, far more intelligent, far more adaptable, far more ruthless, far more confident than Joshua.

Fury also has the ability to box long vs Usyk (and remember Chisora easily closed the distance on Usyk and couldn't on Fury....)

Or he can Steve Cunningham Usyk

He is a challenge levels above.

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Tyson Fury is THE heavyweight, Usyk has only beaten Joshua and he sucks, we are yet to see him face one of the top guys.

Fury is bigger, stronger, rougher, faster, more versatile, meaner, far superior stamina, far superior chin, far more intelligent, far more adaptable, far more ruthless, far more confident than Joshua.

Fury also has the ability to box long vs Usyk (and remember Chisora easily closed the distance on Usyk and couldn't on Fury....)

Or he can Steve Cunningham Usyk

He is a challenge levels above.

Yes Frankie lad! I heard your shoutout on Hatmans stream yesterday! Usyk defo can't handle 6ft9 of inside fighting-ness

[Frankie Coffeecake]

Yes Frankie lad! I heard your shoutout on Hatmans stream yesterday! Usyk defo can't handle 6ft9 of inside fighting-ness

Haha he jabbers on sometimes I wanted to discuss the real issue here

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Haha he jabbers on sometimes I wanted to discuss the real issue here

Hatman pretending that he isn't an AJ fanboy is hilarious.

[JakeTheBoxer]

That fight was a disaster for AJ. If Wladimir had been 2 years younger, he would have knocked out AJ head off.

[Frankie Coffeecake]

Hatman pretending that he isn't an AJ fanboy is hilarious.

He's creaming on about Michael Hunter now, saying Usyk and Hunter are gonna run through the division, he's so reactionary it's unreal, he was truly on the fence prior to AJ v Usyk as well, doesn't make predictions anymore just sits on the fence and says how both can win so he can say "see I was right, I said...."

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He's creaming on about Michael Hunter now, saying Usyk and Hunter are gonna run through the division, he's so reactionary it's unreal, he was truly on the fence prior to AJ v Usyk as well, doesn't make predictions anymore just sits on the fence and says how both can win so he can say "see I was right, I said...."

Yeah no idea why he gets such a hard on over Hunter...

[TMLT87]

He went life and death with Wlad even back then, if they'd fought 10 times it would have been pretty even, and that was a 41 year old end of career Wlad.

AJ hasnt declined, hes just a good not great fighter who has fought a consistently solid level of opposition for years and has come unstuck a few times in the process. I think Fury and Usyk are the only ones who would still be undefeated now if they had fought AJs opponents.

[Dr Rumack]

Current AJ looks terrified to take a risk. Mentally he's like post-Brewster Wlad, without the clinching. Which makes it worse.