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  • PainfromUkraine
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    Isn't it funny...

    Isn't it funny how fickle the boxing fan community is? There is just so much inconsistency and knocking down any fighter who loses that must be terrible if they lose a fight - in this case to absolutely elite opposition.

    AJ has his vulnerabilities and weaknesses, as most fighters do, but yesterday night wasn't really anything linked to what we have seen before with the Ruiz loss. Clearly, AJ doesn't like being hit, and he has a shaky beard, but for one - let's not make out Ruiz to be some journeyman because he looks like a fat bag of sht - the guy has legitimately fast hands, decent power and solid technique. Could certainly compete with other contenders in previous eras for sure, and with some of those upset-winners over former champs of the likes of Rahman etc. In that fight, AJ got careless and on the verge of victory let it go by shipping a huge shot - could have happened to anyone.

    But the most funny thing is all of the people who said beforehand that this was going to be an easy fight for AJ, purely off the rationale that he is 'so much bigger and stronger and more powerful', a 'good big man always beats a good smaller man' and etc, yet they neglect to take into account Usyk is exactly the same size as Ali was - same reach, same height, and the vast majority of fans back former greats like Ali (who are far smaller than today's biggest heavies) to beat guys like AJ with ease in mythical matchups.

    AJ lost because quite simply he isn't as great a BOXER as Usyk is, on account of having less experience. AJ has been manufactured, whereas Usyk has developed from a young age to a point where he has mastered his craft and it doesn't fail him under pressure - when it begins to be about instinct and muscle memory, unlike Joshua's loss of poise once he starts getting hit. This is what we saw yesterday - AJ tried something which was never going to work.

    Anyone that has seen my posts over the last decade will remember I've always backed Usyk to show his greatness amongst all the doubters and nay-sayers and become the champ at both cruiser and heavy, but I guess now if he does seemingly the unthinkable and beats Fury for undisputed - will Fury suddenly also become a hype job bum who lost to a 'small pumped up cruiserweight'?

    Is AJ as great as some proclaimed him to be? Probably not.

    But losing to Usyk doesn't make him a bum suddenly - some just need to accept that Usyk is a future great, and if you don't believe it now - he will keep on proving it moving forward.

    And finally - yes, a good big man beats a good smaller man. But - a good big man loses to an exceptional smaller man.

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    #2
    Originally posted by PainfromUkraine
    And finally - yes, a good big man beats a good smaller man. But - a good big man loses to an exceptional smaller man.
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    what about a good big man v a very good smaller man?

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    • PainfromUkraine
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      #3
      Originally posted by Smash

      what about a good big man v a very good smaller man?
      Semantics, very good and exceptional is pretty much the same in this case - the point is that (casuals especially) shouldn't argue that size is the be all and end all yet at the same time conclusively back smaller historical heavies like Ali, Frazier, Foreman etc to easily clean out the modern 'big heavies'.

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        I thought A.J. made a good showing of himself. He fought entirely the wrong fight though. He should have imposed his size and strength from the opening bell but he tried to box a masterful boxer. I'm not saying he would have won no matter what he did. I'm saying he didnt play into his strengths and Usyk fought a beautiful fight.

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          I think it’s funny that everyone adopts grown athletes like they’re family and then makes excuses for them after they embarrass themselves.

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            #6
            And when Usyk gets bulldozed by a better younger version of Chisora, the fickle fans will wonder aloud what we ever saw in the little Ukrainian.

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              #7
              Originally posted by PainfromUkraine

              Semantics, very good and exceptional is pretty much the same in this case - the point is that (casuals especially) shouldn't argue that size is the be all and end all yet at the same time conclusively back smaller historical heavies like Ali, Frazier, Foreman etc to easily clean out the modern 'big heavies'.
              yes u can be a heavy, big and maybe a bit fat against a very lean smaller guy too

              also wilder, hes tall but light & for a heavy u might expect him to struggle against bigger guys too but he made it work to make himself rich, until he met fury, next chapter to be written tho

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                "AJ has his vulnerabilities and weaknesses, as most fighters do, but yesterday night wasn't really anything linked to what we have seen before with the Ruiz loss. Clearly, AJ doesn't like being hit, and he has a shaky beard, but for one - let's not make out Ruiz to be some journeyman because he looks like a fat bag of "


                I disagree, i think they are both linked. Yeah Ruiz and Usyk are completely different fighters but AJ looked similar in both fights, he freezes up under pressure. He got that glazed over look in his eyes and tunes out. The first few rounds he just stood in the center of the ring, kind of frozen and going through the motions.

                I rewatched some of the chisora fight and chisora made the opening rounds very difficult for usyk, he stalked him around the ring the opening rounds, he knew the power difference was in his favor, he wasnt afraid of getting caught to land his own, he threw big shots on usyks arms just to get usyk to feel his power, he crowded usyk, not allowing him to control the footwork and be in the positions he wanted to be in .Now AJ isnt really that type of inside fighter but he could have done more than pivot in the center of the ring in shock. there is somethign wrong with him mentally, he just freezes up, its like he saw all of Usyks crazy movement in the first 30 seconds and just thought oh *** how am I going to deal with this.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by PainfromUkraine
                  Isn't it funny how fickle the boxing fan community is? There is just so much inconsistency and knocking down any fighter who loses that must be terrible if they lose a fight - in this case to absolutely elite opposition.

                  AJ has his vulnerabilities and weaknesses, as most fighters do, but yesterday night wasn't really anything linked to what we have seen before with the Ruiz loss. Clearly, AJ doesn't like being hit, and he has a shaky beard, but for one - let's not make out Ruiz to be some journeyman because he looks like a fat bag of sht - the guy has legitimately fast hands, decent power and solid technique. Could certainly compete with other contenders in previous eras for sure, and with some of those upset-winners over former champs of the likes of Rahman etc. In that fight, AJ got careless and on the verge of victory let it go by shipping a huge shot - could have happened to anyone.

                  But the most funny thing is all of the people who said beforehand that this was going to be an easy fight for AJ, purely off the rationale that he is 'so much bigger and stronger and more powerful', a 'good big man always beats a good smaller man' and etc, yet they neglect to take into account Usyk is exactly the same size as Ali was - same reach, same height, and the vast majority of fans back former greats like Ali (who are far smaller than today's biggest heavies) to beat guys like AJ with ease in mythical matchups.

                  AJ lost because quite simply he isn't as great a BOXER as Usyk is, on account of having about 10 years MINIMUM less experience. AJ has been manufactured, whereas Usyk has developed from a young age to a point where he has mastered his craft and it doesn't fail him under pressure - when it begins to be about instinct and muscle memory, unlike Joshua's loss of poise once he starts getting hit. This is what we saw yesterday - AJ tried something which was never going to work. m
                  Anyone that has seen my posts over the last decade will remember I've always backed Usyk to show his greatness amongst all the doubters and nay-sayers and become the champ at both cruiser and heavy, but I guess now if he does seemingly the unthinkable and beats Fury for undisputed - will Fury suddenly also become a hype job bum who lost to a 'small pumped up cruiserweight'?

                  Is AJ as great as some proclaimed him to be? Probably not.

                  But losing to Usyk doesn't make him a bum suddenly - some just need to accept that Usyk is a future great, and if you don't believe it now - he will keep on proving it moving forward.

                  And finally - yes, a good big man beats a good smaller man. But - a good big man loses to an exceptional smaller man.

                  Discuss
                  - -U manufactured-
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                  U master boxer-

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                  Funny U-
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                  • Smash
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by QueensburyRules
                    based on facial damage, joshua won that one looks like to me

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