Jennings. How much does his career disprove the "Ortiz was old af Bum & beat nobody" claims?

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No my point is that Jennings was a solid W by ko because Klit was unable to
(Im not saying AJ/Fury didn't deserve credit, I'm saying that Ortiz was no bum & koing jennings shows that)

How do you know Klitschko was unable to K.O Jennings ? He was instructed not to ,Ali Bashir who was the real protege of Steward left team Klitschko after that fight , the very reason of Banks kept over ruling him on how Klitschko should fight .

Ortiz being a bum has no bearing on a terrible resume ,the guy declined fights ,ran off mandatory spots and was suspended for PEDs way before anyone even knew who he was really in 2014 . His sole good performance was Jennings who I’m not sure won more then a round against Wlad so I have no idea what the thread is supposed to prove ,it will just rehabs the weak career so far of Ortiz barring Wilder in the first fight but that puts more a damper on Wilder almost losing to a guy who didn’t pass his physical more then what Ortiz actually accomplished .

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How do you know Klitschko was unable to K.O Jennings ? He was instructed not to ,Ali Bashir who was the real protege of Steward left team Klitschko after that fight , the very reason of Banks kept over ruling him on how Klitschko should fight .

Ortiz being a bum has no bearing on a terrible resume ,the guy declined fights ,ran off mandatory spots and was suspended for PEDs way before anyone even knew who he was really in 2014 . His sole good performance was Jennings who I’m not sure won more then a round against Wlad so I have no idea what the thread is supposed to prove ,it will just rehabs the weak career so far of Ortiz barring Wilder in the first fight but that puts more a damper on Wilder almost losing to a guy who didn’t pass his physical more then what Ortiz actually accomplished .

I'm not surprised that you (AJ/Hearns biggest fan & Wilders biggest detractor) would make it out to seem that Jennings & Ortiz were bums. The very fact that Klitschko whos entire bread & butter was koing almost every opponent didn't ko jennings automatically showed he couldn't(common sense,& you're fos to claim he didn't want to ko him,biggest bs I've ever heard)

Especially considering he tried to cheat by using dirty tactics he was known for & was completely unable to beat Jennings the way he had done everyone else for a decade by smothering & battering them.

Ortiz was avoided & the only time he refused offers were because he already had a Wilder rematch lined up.

He was ducked mercilessly by Whyte a even worse cheat

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I'm not surprised that you (AJ/Hearns biggest fan & Wilders biggest detractor) would make it out to seem that Jennings & Ortiz were bums. The very fact that Klitschko whos entire bread & butter was koing almost every opponent didn't ko jennings automatically showed he couldn't(common sense,& you're fos to claim he didn't want to ko him,biggest bs I've ever heard)

Especially considering he tried to cheat by using dirty tactics he was known for & was completely unable to beat Jennings the way he had done everyone else for a decade by smothering & battering them.

Ortiz was avoided & the only time he refused offers were because he already had a Wilder rematch lined up.

I didn’t insinuate Ortiz was a bum you did ,you created the thread and question to the forum that I didn’t ?


Ortiz had a fight with A.J in late 2017 ,he was the mandatory,you can’t avoid a mandatory unless that fighter loses or leaves his spot and that’s what Ortiz did to go fight Wilder . He was also not scheduled to fight anyone when Whyte offered him the 02 date of July 28th ,since then he’s declined Wallin and Joyce also AJ a second time and I think Hrgovic . But hey you made the thread so ?

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I didn’t insinuate Ortiz was a bum you did ,you created the thread and question to the forum that I didn’t ?


Ortiz had a fight with A.J in late 2017 ,he was the mandatory,you can’t avoid a mandatory unless that fighter loses or leaves his spot and that’s what Ortiz did to go fight Wilder . He was also not scheduled to fight anyone when Whyte offered him the 02 date of July 28th ,since then he’s declined Wallin and Joyce also AJ a second time . But hey you made the thread so ?

You're a liar,Whyte blatantly ducked him when Ortiz offered to fight him in an eliminator which even the WBC offered him

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You're a liar,Whyte blatantly ducked him when Ortiz offered to fight him in an eliminator which even the WBC offered him

Nope you are just a misguided fanboy ,Ortiz offer was after he was offered the headlined Whyte fight that Parker took . It was also for a secondary mandatory because Breazeale at that time was the mandatory and no one knew when he was fighting Wilder .

You guys should do your research before you make crazy threads ,you would think you learned by now batting for Wilder or Ortiz never turns out well, you can’t really win over facts don’t you know that by now ? This is why few take you seriously on here you keep making these mistakes .

What about my other facts I said you clearly didn’t want to discuss them right ?

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Nope you are just a misguided fanboy ,Ortiz offer was after he was offered the headlined Whyte fight that Parker took . It was also for a secondary mandatory because Breazeale at that time was the mandatory and no one knew when he was fighting Wilder .

You guys should do your research before you make crazy threads ,you would think you learned by now batting for Wilder or Ortiz never turns out well, you can’t really win over facts don’t you know that by now ? This is why few take you seriously on here you keep making these mistakes .

What about my other facts I said you clearly didn’t want to discuss them right ?

You are just a salty hater & AJ/hearn fanboi. Everyone here knows I am the furthest thing from a Wilder/Ortiz fan

And nobody is getting anything wrong its widely accepted fact that Whyte ducked multiple eliminators & even ducked Brzeare for a shot at Wilder

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Styles make fights and maybe Wladimir had a bit of an off night.

Wladimir as good/great as he was was a rather basic headhunter that fought from long range. Quite a few shared opponents fared better vs Wladimir than they did vs much lesser fighters in particular ones that could either fight on the inside or wasn't as safety-first.
Eddie Chambers made Wladimir look cr4p, Mchunu made him look like he'd never boxed a day in his life.

Chisora for example has done much better against shared opposition than AJ he might even vs Usyk doesn't mean he deserves heaps more credit or make him better than AJ or anything. Styles make fights

My point though is that Jennings was a great win for someone like Ortiz whom most top fighters didn't want to fight.

He was in his prime & sharp when Ortiz kod him. It shows along with both Wilder fights that Ortiz was a very elite hw at that time.


Imagine if Plant gets beaten by decision after making Canelo look foolish at times & the very next fight Plant gets kod with ease in the 7th vs Charlo.(imagine what ppl would say about that win:

"oh Charlo 1 upped Canelo by being the 1st to ko Plant with ease."

Or imagine if Bud kos Porter thats a perfect analogy

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Yes. Wallin is really good and so was Jennings.

Wallin won a few rounds against Fury, if Whyte stops him is that a great win?

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If Klit was so washed then that'd mean AJ & Fury don't deserve credit as klit was older v them.(meaning the same can be said about them as Klit is boths best win)

That being said its not a participation trophy that Ortiz battered Jennings by brutal kd followed by stoppage in 7 rds when Klit couldn't the fight before.

Klitschko broke his will and took his 0 though, perhaps the next decent guy to fight him was bound to stop him - it happened to be Ortiz