Comments Thread For: Oleksandr Usyk Comes In At Career-High Weight For Showdown With Anthony Joshua

[Get em up]

So we've had days of posters on here saying that Joshua was too focused on dropping weight against Usyk... and he comes in at about the weight most thought he should fight at.

Other posters were claiming Usyk was too focused on adding weight, yet he comes in about the weight you'd expect for a guy who kept himself below the Cruiserweight limit for a long time and is now in his third fight in the open weight decision.

Maybe these guys and their teams know what they're doing? And it's just forum folk who obsess about weight?

I made a comment a few days ago saying Usyk should come in at 215 or 220 and he looks solid at that weight. Honestly at cruiser there is decent odds he dehydrated to about 220 so this could be a better scrap than I thought. I'm looking forward to it either way and the better man will win. I dont understand how any boxing fan could complain either way. It's not every weekend we get a match of this caliber.

[OnlytheTruth]

Fallacy? “a mistaken belief, especially one based on unsound argument.”

An overweight non KO fighter Ruiz mauls AJ. AJ has been wobbled on several occasions. Both sound arguments. So how again is this a fallacy?

Someone's feathers have been ruffled.

[cace]

i dont think it matters what he come in as
hes up against it in joshua who i expect to win convincingly

[OnlytheTruth]

How many punches did Martin land? Or even throw for that matter? Yes, he felt the power. Obviously, as he got knocked out. The question is how agressive was he, how up for the fight? He wouldn't even look at Joshua when they came to touch gloves, he threw very few punches, and he made no real attempt to beat the count on the second knockdown. He came for a cheque. Yes, there is a reason he didn't throw many punches -- because he was wary of Joshua. And, yes, Joshua beat him no problem. But it is small evidence that Joshua is excellent against southpaws.

At world championship level he has fought one southpaw. There is no arguing this, as it is a simple matter of fact.

Well, my two cents is this...

1. Not Joshua's fault that Martin didn't want any part of it.
2. Joshua's record against Southpaw's in world title fights is 100%. Its the same as when people push Wilder's knockout % as a means of validating his resume. You kind of just have to live with it.

He's going to know what it means to be with a live Southpaw come Saturday night! I can't wait.

On a side note, the most entertaining thing so far has been Florian Marku. Hope the guy backs up the **** he's been talking.

[BangEM]

You're being defensive. You made a claim and I argued against your weak evidence. Now you're special pleading by going into his amateur record, which makes your argument look even shakier as it shows you know there is nothing in his pro record to back your claim.

Your claim: that he is excellent against southpaws.

My counter-argument: there is little evidence for this.

The case I make for my argument is that he has fought 25 professional fights and fought one southpaw for a grand total of two rounds.

And the conclusion from this is simple: there is scant evidence for his ability versus southpaws.

I honestly doubt you know what “scanty” means in this context. There aren’t that many Southpaws out there and most boxers go through their whole careers without fighting one. And apart from Oldtiz, Usyk (who just moved up), Martin and Wallin - I doubt there’s any other Southpaw in the top-30 of the HW division (I’d pick Martin to beat Wallin and Oldtiz).

So in this context - does “scanty” make any sense whatsoever when Southpaws are rare in the division?

Yes, he’s excellent against Southpaws (I did mention both the pro and amateur ranks) because he has never lost against one. Is that too difficult to grasp? - his record against Southpaws is 100%.

There’s absolutely nothing shaky about citing Cammarelle who’s one of the greatest Southpaws and amateurs that ever laced it up in the division since he beat almost every top-rated contender in the current pro ranks. And he beat all of them convincingly by a wide margin. Cammarelle was also more gifted as a Southpaw than Usyk (Usyk still box mostly with an amateur style by tapping with his gloves).

You’re the one grasping at straws here since you have no argument. And I’m shocked you have stopped parroting the absolute nonsense narrative that Martin only came for a cheque. We’re getting there…

[OnlytheTruth]

i dont think it matters what he come in as
hes up against it in joshua who i expect to win convincingly

My experience with Joshua is to expect him to lose so if he does win, its a nice surprise

[786]

Looking forward to this. I think Usyk's only shot is to win by KO, he won't get the decision even if he outpoints AJ and I really can't see Usyk stopping him. AJ in 8.

[Boxingfanatic75]

Someone's feathers have been ruffled.

Who me? Please explain how a statement of fact is ruffled feathers? I believe taking exception to a statement of fact is what we’d deem ruffled feathers.

[Stuntman Mike]

Yeah right, like he was even 50% for the Ruiz 1 fight. A guy with bruises all over his face who was looking dazed on fight night and fight week. Ruiz won a fluke and got schooled in a shut out in the rematch.

Usyk is getting sparked tomorrow. Uppercut and left hook combo - write this down!

I wonder what suicidal thoughts you will have when usyk is standing over Joshua's corpse

[Stuntman Mike]

I honestly doubt you know what “scanty” means in this context. There aren’t that many Southpaws out there and most boxers go through their whole careers without fighting one. And apart from Oldtiz, Usyk (who just moved up), Martin and Wallin - I doubt there’s any other Southpaw in the top-30 of the HW division (I’d pick Martin to beat Wallin and Oldtiz).

So in this context - does “scanty” make any sense whatsoever when Southpaws are rare in the division?

Yes, he’s excellent against Southpaws (I did mention both the pro and amateur ranks) because he has never lost against one. Is that too difficult to grasp? - his record against Southpaws is 100%.

There’s absolutely nothing shaky about citing Cammarelle who’s one of the greatest Southpaws and amateurs that ever laced it up in the division since he beat almost every top-rated contender in the current pro ranks. And he beat all of them convincingly by a wide margin. Cammarelle was also more gifted as a Southpaw than Usyk (Usyk still box mostly with an amateur style by tapping with his gloves).

You’re the one grasping at straws here since you have no argument. And I’m shocked you have stopped parroting the absolute nonsense narrative that Martin only came for a cheque. We’re getting there…

Martin beats wallin and ortiz?? I need whatever you're smoking to escape reality