Comments Thread For: Tyson Fury: I Don't Think I'll Ever Lose a Fight, Nobody Out There To Beat Me

[tonysoprano]

you sounds like a real POS. Tyson is a Christian man....deal with it.

Christian..drug taking, steroid abusing, racist, ****phobic coward who believes women belong in the kitchen. Not to mention his family of criminals, drug-dealers and various other pond-lifes.

Some Christian.

[Lefty0616]

Which era in Heavyweight history did you have a champion who never lost?

AJ and Fury have amassed a resume better than nearly every Heavy in history. So it's clear you have no idea what you're talking about. Only the Lewis, Wlad and Ali era could compete with this one. Every other one stank so bad they're laughable. Hell, when you break it down with the Ali era, you know it stinks to high heaven. It's the most overrated era at any weight in boxing history. Prove me wrong?

I never mentioned anything about any era where a heavyweight went undefeated. There were clear eras where heavyweights could box. Lewis, Tyson, Holyfield, and Ali could clearly box, had heart, and had epic battles in the ring. Are you kidding me about Wlad? He fought a lot of bums that could not box. He used his height and stiff jabbed them to submission. None of the fighters that I mentioned would have had trouble with Wlad when they were in their primes. From Wlad, going forward, while heavyweights have gotten bigger, they absolutely suck. I can't get behind any of today's heavyweights. They are not good enough for me to ever bet my money on. They are all seriously flawed, and can lose at any given moment. Wilder, Fury, Ruiz, Joshua....are all pick ems when they fight each other - with Ruiz being the biggest underdog. Fury can go undefeated....or he can get his clock cleaned by everyone except Ruiz.

[Sid-Knee]

I never mentioned anything about any era where a heavyweight went undefeated. There were clear eras where heavyweights could box. Lewis, Tyson, Holyfield, and Ali could clearly box, had heart, and had epic battles in the ring. Are you kidding me about Wlad? He fought a lot of bums that could not box. He used his height and stiff jabbed them to submission. None of the fighters that I mentioned would have had trouble with Wlad when they were in their primes. From Wlad, going forward, while heavyweights have gotten bigger, they absolutely suck. I can't get behind any of today's heavyweights. They are not good enough for me to ever bet my money on. They are all seriously flawed, and can lose at any given moment. Wilder, Fury, Ruiz, Joshua....are all pick ems when they fight each other - with Ruiz being the biggest underdog. Fury can go undefeated....or he can get his clock cleaned by everyone except Ruiz.

It's clear AJ and Fury are the dominant Heavies out there. AJ made a mistake against Ruiz like any athlete can. But he corrected it in the rematch and dominated. Wilder is a fraud who is scared of everyone. He's not even in my top 10 as of now. Fury destroyed him when back to his best. Wilder only got involved with him because he thought he was shot to pieces in the first fight. And he still lost that fight. But which era didn't have, as you say, "Pick em fights"? Tyson and Holyfield lost plenty of times. So did Ali. But you have no problem with that. But claim it's your problem in this era?

Well you mentioned the Lewis and Ali era, but no other? What other era outside of the ones i mentioned were anywhere near as good as it is today?

Wlad fought a good handful of good world class fighters. Yeah, there were plenty of bums, but which long reigning champ didn't have to do that? The Louis era was much worse. It was nearly all bums. Who in the Ali era could box? They were all bar room brawlers and incredibly limited. Name the ones who actually had boxing skill at world level?

I agree Lewis, Tyson and Holyfield beat Wlad. But Ali doesn't. Ali wouldn't be able to get past the jab. Wlad would just push him back and keep him at length.

You believe AJ and Fury are flawed, but mention Ali? Both AJ and Fury are highly skilled. Ali on the other hand, is badly flawed. He was getting hit by the most basic fighters the division could ever have. And lost to most of them. Ali lost all 3 to Norton, Shavers, Young, Frazier, and had a hard time with bums. But Ali got gift decisions. No one watches Ali get beat up in every fight and doesn't think he's badly flawed. I don't buy the myth of Ali. I know too much.

Anyone who thinks Fury and AJ suck, shouldn't be watching boxing. At this point in time, AJ has the best resume in history for as many fights. You couldn't name a single Heavy that could match it or surpass it after just 25 fights. He's doing everything a champion should be doing.

[Lefty0616]

It's clear AJ and Fury are the dominant Heavies out there. AJ made a mistake against Ruiz like any athlete can. But he corrected it in the rematch and dominated. Wilder is a fraud who is scared of everyone. He's not even in my top 10 as of now. Fury destroyed him when back to his best. Wilder only got involved with him because he thought he was shot to pieces in the first fight. And he still lost that fight. But which era didn't have, as you say, "Pick em fights"? Tyson and Holyfield lost plenty of times. So did Ali. But you have no problem with that. But claim it's your problem in this era?

Well you mentioned the Lewis and Ali era, but no other? What other era outside of the ones i mentioned were anywhere near as good as it is today?

Wlad fought a good handful of good world class fighters. Yeah, there were plenty of bums, but which long reigning champ didn't have to do that? The Louis era was much worse. It was nearly all bums. Who in the Ali era could box? They were all bar room brawlers and incredibly limited. Name the ones who actually had boxing skill at world level?

I agree Lewis, Tyson and Holyfield beat Wlad. But Ali doesn't. Ali wouldn't be able to get past the jab. Wlad would just push him back and keep him at length.

You believe AJ and Fury are flawed, but mention Ali? Both AJ and Fury are highly skilled. Ali on the other hand, is badly flawed. He was getting hit by the most basic fighters the division could ever have. And lost to most of them. Ali lost all 3 to Norton, Shavers, Young, Frazier, and had a hard time with bums. But Ali got gift decisions. No one watches Ali get beat up in every fight and doesn't think he's badly flawed. I don't buy the myth of Ali. I know too much.

Anyone who thinks Fury and AJ suck, shouldn't be watching boxing. At this point in time, AJ has the best resume in history for as many fights. You couldn't name a single Heavy that could match it or surpass it after just 25 fights. He's doing everything a champion should be doing.

When it's all said and done and Fury, Ruiz, and Wilder are retired, no one will ever call them "The Greatest" (Joshua can actually box; so I stand corrected). But the last couple of decades in the heavyweight division haven't been good. Sorry.

P.S. Outside of a gift decision before the Liston fight, Ali found a way to beat his opponents in his prime. It was understandable when he lost against Frazier in fight 1; he was removed from prize fighting for a few years. He only started to lose when he was no longer in his prime.....But he still occasionally won a fight against a top ranked opponent. He had classic fights. The new heavyweights may have one classic fight apiece.

[Sid-Knee]

When it's all said and done and Fury, Ruiz, and Wilder are retired, no one will ever call them "The Greatest" (Joshua can actually box; so I stand corrected). But the last couple of decades in the heavyweight division haven't been good. Sorry.

P.S. Outside of a gift decision before the Liston fight, Ali found a way to beat his opponents in his prime. It was understandable when he lost against Frazier in fight 1; he was removed from prize fighting for a few years. He only started to lose when he was no longer in his prime.....But he still occasionally won a fight against a top ranked opponent. He had classic fights. The new heavyweights may have one classic fight apiece.

Lennox Lewis is the greatest, so i don't think they'd be calling anyone from this era anything of the sort. But "Some of the greatest" ? Yeah.

I'm talking about Fury and AJ, not Ruiz and Wilder. Ruiz is good, like most fighters are in every good era. Wilder however is a fraud of the highest order.

Tell me which era's you like going all the way back to the beginning? They are putrid. But if you think you have a rational argument for the opposite, let me hear it?

Fury can box too. He's actually more naturally talented than most in history. Ali nor anyone from that era had his skills. Sure, he can be sloppy sometimes through messing around. But when he's focused, he's sharp. He doesn't get hit the way Ali did all the time. Break down what you think Ali could do, that Fury can't? Tell me their weaknesses and strengths?

Ali was in his prime when he came back. He put on a bit of weight, but he was still prime. Why would you think he wasn't prime at 28 years old? And not only that, but you've contradicted yourself again. Fury was out for 3 years too, and he abused his body with alcohol/drugs and was obese the way Ali never was. But you don't afford him the same opinion.

We're talking about skill here. Not classic fights. You said both AJ and Fury suck. You said the era ******. There are only 3 other era's that can compete with this one to my mind. If you disagree, which era's are they? And which fighters that are more renowned that had more skill than Fury and AJ? Foreman? Frazier? Liston? Who? And who did they beat?

Before Ali was banned, he was fighting bums and shot fighters other than Liston. But if you claim a win over Wlad doesn't count due to age for Fury and AJ, i'd have to ask you how old you think Liston was?

Ali had a couple of fights before he fought Frazier to get the ring rust off. He lost because he just wasn't that good. Not because of age or being past prime. He was now fighting good fighters. Limited, but good. And he lost to nearly all of them. You'd have to make a scientific argument for a 28 year old without wear and tear for 3 years being past their best. Otherwise, it's illogical.