Comments Thread For: Hearn: Fury Should Lose Title Status if Wilder Trilogy is Delayed Again

[thetruthteller]

Hearn desperate to see Fury stripped so his bum boy Shyte can get a free belt.

Sad!

Sadder than Fury faking a deadly disease like Covid, just to get the fight pushed back? Fury should fight or get stripped. Even a fan boy like yourself should agree on that

[kafkod]

No it isn't. You irritating ****ing liar. This is all easily verifiable though ****ing Google.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbs...d-in-july/amp/

It was delayed the first time due to Wilder undergoing bicep surgery, the second due to networks dis*****g the schedule and the third time due to Fury and Arum walking away.

The article you linked to is about Wilder activating a rematch clause. Nobody is dis*****g that, you fucking clown.

At no time, ever, was the fight delayed due to Fury and Arum walking away. That didn't happen.

Did you listen to the interview Wilder did with Brian Custer on November 17th?

Wilder, out of his own mouth, said that he had been unable to train untill October and that he had "moved on" from Fury and was hoping to fight someone else, possibly Helenius, in January.

Find that interview, listen to it, then come back and apologise for calling me a liar, if you are man enough.

[champion4ever]

Just some real quick inside info and small correction. It was actually Fury and his team that came up with the idea that there was a time limit for the fight. Arum and ESPN were never on board and always wanted the 3rd fight to go through. At first Fury wanted a quick fight before he fought Wilder again, but ESPN was not going to lose more money, as they did on his 2 fights prior to the Wilder rematch. That's when Fury and his team decided to try and walk away from the 3rd Wilder fight. Fury didn't start negotiating with AJ until a few months later. This entire situation was concocted by Fury and his team, and it was a huge miscalculation.

Thanks for the correction and good post! It's spot on!

[Toffee]

No way Fury counts as an active HW available to fight as he wouldn't fight Wlad due to self declared retirement.

Also Wilder wasn't higher, Wlad was literally ranked No.1 in ring 2016 and from what I remember briefly removed completely due to inactivity caused by Fury being a messer and reinstated as no.1 just before the AJ fight.

Wlad was literally ranked 1 (contender) even after the Fury loss and the only guy you could possibly have higher in your personal rank was Wilder and I don't have him beating Wlad.

Point is AJ has beat top 1 or 2 opponent especially if you got Povetkin or Parker floating in behind Wlad and Wilder.

The Ring Magazine's Annual Ratings: 2016 - BoxRec

The Ring Magazine's Annual Ratings: 2017 - BoxRec - Interesting that 7/10 are now former AJ opponents in these ranking & 2/3 leftover couldn't make the fight with AJ for PED related events.

I haven't been able to find the Ring's monthly rankings but going with TBRB...

They had Fury at 1 and Klitschko at 2.
They removed Fury (obviously) and then had Klitschko at 1 and Joshua at 2.
Prior to the AJ v Wlad fight they removed Klitschko for inactivity (which I still disagree with and think they probably regret).
After the AJ v Wlad fight they had AJ at 1 and Klitschko at 2.

Basically it was the top 2 fighters fighting at the same time that there was a vacant lineal title.

They were the top 2 before the fight. They were the top 2 after the fight. There was just a small window where Wlad wasn't ranked and that covered the time of the actual fight.

If they'd just acknowledged that Klitschko was active and seeking a fight with Fury or Joshua then things would be quite different. Joshua would be their lineal champion.

[Rodtang]

Since when has 18 months been 3 years? You should probably get a refund from the school you went to.

No one was fighting better opponents than a Wlad from B2B camps, who had only not got a proper fight due Fury ducking/retiring.

Whilst AJ was taking on Wlad in is 18th fight Wilder was busy fighting bums like Stiverne 2 and Washington that same year in his 37th & 38th .

Name any other fighter at the time you got beating Wlad.

I'm talking about the period from Fury beating Wlad, until his fight against Seferi. It was just over two and a half years, I do apologise, 31 months to be exact ( getting my money's worth ) and AJ was no 1 in that period, and the no 2 at the time, wouldn't fight him. Hope that clears that up for you. Not sure you got your money's worth as your reading and understanding of text leaves a lot to be desired.

[Rodtang]

This is...a lie?

I think its pretty much common knowledge that Hearn wasted everyones time with those Wilder negotiations three years ago. You're now going to use the 100m bull**** excuse as if that offer wasn't made after Fury and Wilder already fought.

There was no negotiations. Finkel refused to meet him. Did you miss that? Then AJ was forced to fight Povetkin as the WBA got fed up waiting. Team wilder were nowhere to be seen.

[Rodtang]

I don't know where you got the idea from that it was Fury's fault the fight didn't happen last year. He was in camp training for it with Sugar Hill and the media was full of reports of Fury repeatedly calling Wilder out and urging him to come out of hiding so they could get it on.

Wilder disappeared after losing his title and wasn't seen or heard from again till the middle of November. In his first interview since re-appearing he claimed he'd had surgery on an arm injury and hadn't been able to train until October. And in that same interview he said he was planning to fight someone else before Fury, possibly Helenius.

Ok, I'm gonna agree with some of what your saying. Team Wilder were definitely to blame for dragging their heels in making the rematch. Fury was training and clearly was getting frustrated. I agree with you there. However, Fury should have been putting pressure on TR and Espn to push the issue if he was so frustrated. Then when he walks away he has the back up of public knowledge via the media that they made every attempt to make the fight. This didn't happen. Firstly both sides were in agreement that they were going to wait for full capacities to be admitted. That didn't stop AJ fighting Pulev with just a 1000 crowd, when he could easily sell out 60,000 for that. So they should have gotten on with it also, as its holding the division up. Secondly, all we kept hearing from Arum was the dates they couldn't do because it coincided with college football and God knows what else lol. The point is Fury should have been putting his foot down and he wasn't. Either that or be patient until the spring. Either way that fight and the AJ vs Usyk would be done now, and around about now we'd be looking forward to the undisputed fight. For a guy who says he controls his career, he clearly doesn't. But then I guess it depends on what mood he's in when he gets up in the morning.

[kafkod]

Ok, I'm gonna agree with some of what your saying. Team Wilder were definitely to blame for dragging their heels in making the rematch. Fury was training and clearly was getting frustrated. I agree with you there. However, Fury should have been putting pressure on TR and Espn to push the issue if he was so frustrated. Then when he walks away he has the back up of public knowledge via the media that they made every attempt to make the fight. This didn't happen. Firstly both sides were in agreement that they were going to wait for full capacities to be admitted. That didn't stop AJ fighting Pulev with just a 1000 crowd, when he could easily sell out 60,000 for that. So they should have gotten on with it also, as its holding the division up. Secondly, all we kept hearing from Arum was the dates they couldn't do because it coincided with college football and God knows what else lol. The point is Fury should have been putting his foot down and he wasn't. Either that or be patient until the spring. Either way that fight and the AJ vs Usyk would be done now, and around about now we'd be looking forward to the undisputed fight. For a guy who says he controls his career, he clearly doesn't. But then I guess it depends on what mood he's in when he gets up in the morning.

Seems like there are 2 things you're not taking into account.

1) Beating Wilder so decisively left Fury sitting pretty at the top of the HW division. It also considerably lessened the appeal and value of an immediate rematch. Fury neither needed nor wanted to fight Wilder again, especially after Wilder pissed him off with excuses and cheating allegations.

2) The rematch clause gave the loser of the second fight, but not the winner, the legal right to demand an immediate rematch and insist that it happened within the time frame set out in the contract, no matter what his team, the other team, or the networks wanted. Wilder had that right, Fury didn't.

[kafkod]

Just some real quick inside info and small correction. It was actually Fury and his team that came up with the idea that there was a time limit for the fight. Arum and ESPN were never on board and always wanted the 3rd fight to go through. At first Fury wanted a quick fight before he fought Wilder again, but ESPN was not going to lose more money, as they did on his 2 fights prior to the Wilder rematch. That's when Fury and his team decided to try and walk away from the 3rd Wilder fight. Fury didn't start negotiating with AJ until a few months later. This entire situation was concocted by Fury and his team, and it was a huge miscalculation.

There was a time limit on the rematch contract. Did you not see any of the numerous reports about the deadline being extended from July till October because of the covid crisis, then extended again to December?

What happened was that Arum didn't formally request for the contract to be terminated when the December deadline expired, so it remained binding. Fury seemed to think that either Arum had put that request in or that the contract would expire automatically when the deadline was up. Either way he was wrong.

[KingGilgamesh]

The article you linked to is about Wilder activating a rematch clause. Nobody is dis*****g that, you fucking clown.

At no time, ever, was the fight delayed due to Fury and Arum walking away. That didn't happen.

Did you listen to the interview Wilder did with Brian Custer on November 17th?

Wilder, out of his own mouth, said that he had been unable to train untill October and that he had "moved on" from Fury and was hoping to fight someone else, possibly Helenius, in January.

Find that interview, listen to it, then come back and apologise for calling me a liar, if you are man enough.

No I'm not going to find the interviw you ****ing ****head. Post it. You can't because you know you're ****ing full of ****.