Originally posted by aboutfkntime
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Unfortunately for you, you seem wofeully ignorant about how vaccines in general work, the point of vaccination, how the human immune system works and -- possibly -- how anything works. If I have a computer model that predicts the weather 9 times out of 10 correctly, you do not dismiss it as 'fact, it does not work' because of the one day when it says sun and it rains.
In the UK, vaccine uptake for over 50s is 95%. This is crucial. Only a very small portion of that age group is not vaccinated. The most commonly-used vaccine in the UK was the AstraZeneca vaccine, the effectiveness of which is about 80% against the original strain of Covid and less so against the Delta variant. The Delta variant is the most common strain in the UK right now. All this means that we would not expect the vaccine to work to the extent that no one should have died. What we would hope is that it reduces how many have died.
If we look at the technical briefing to which you linked, we see that deaths within 28 days of positive specimen date for over 50s shows 389 for 2 doses and 205 for unvaccinated. But we know that in the UK for every 5 unvaccinated people there are 95 vaccinated people (or putting it another way, for every 20 people, 1 is unvaccinated and 19 are vaccinated).
So 389 died from a population that is 19 times larger than the population that had 205 die.
389/19 = 20.5
This suggests you are literally ten times more likely to die being unvaccinated.
Sorry, but these are the facts. I know it's hard to think, but please try.
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