Comments Thread For: Oscar Valdez Cleared By Presiding Commission to Move Forward With Conceicao

[The Big Dunn]

One has nothing to do with the other. If one of Gayweather's entourage was to break into a person's house, would Gayweather also get the blame? It's not like Canelo and Valdez live together.

What Canelo had in his system is no longer illegal.

Gayweather mastered how to mask his PEDs.

Comparing robbery to a positive ped test by 2 guys with the same trainer. Lmfao.

At least 3 people trained by Reynoso-Martinez, canelo, Valdez and I possibly Nery ( might not have been with Reynoso then) have tested positive for an illegal substance.

That is what they have to do with each other.

Floyd has never tested positive. Can’t change that fact.

[ShoulderRoll]

Comparing robbery to a positive ped test by 2 guys with the same trainer. Lmfao.

At least 3 people trained by Reynoso-Martinez, canelo, Valdez and I possibly Nery ( might not have been with Reynoso then) have tested positive for an illegal substance.

That is what they have to do with each other.

Floyd has never tested positive. Can’t change that fact.

Nery was for sure not with Reynoso when he tested positive.

I'm not certain if Julio Cesar Martinez was either, but could be wrong about that.

[The Big Dunn]

Nery was for sure not with Reynoso when he tested positive.

I'm not certain if Julio Cesar Martinez was either, but could be wrong about that.

Yeah Nery wasn’t.

[TheBoxGod]

Um No. You dont have a clue what you are talking about. He was busted for an amphetamine which most basic employment tests would have even found in their screener tests. It is a controlled substance amphetamine specifically used for weight loss and cutting. This isnt a masking agent or a nasal spray (which are weight cutters). Phentermine would have given a false positive for meth, or any number of other amphetamines and then they would find it in the follow on mass spectro test.

ummm yes, a work drug test huh... well a work drug test is comparable to a drug test for "in-competition" means you are preforming the actual task and you shouldn't be taking anything that might impair your abilities.

Section S6 (only banned in-competition) [Wada]

https://www.usada.org/wp-content/uploads/wada_2021_english_prohibited_list.pdf

FYI Phentermine will not give a false positive for meth lol. In a preliminary substandard test (like those at work places) it can test for amphetamine but... the people taking the test knows this so they will order an advanced confirmation test done on the sample where it will show its Phentermine and not meth. Jobs do this cause the advanced test cost more than the premlinary test and only order confirmation test on the individuals that need it, reason being if they fire anyone off the preliminary test for "Meth" and it was really "Phentermine" they can be sued for wrongful termination, its why a confirmation test is ordered.

Um yea, You dont have a clue what you are talking about.

[TheBoxGod]

Valdez tested positive for a substance known as a MASKING AGENT to other banned substances...that means IT HIDES OTHER PEDS.....is that easier for you to understand?.....don't come in here and act like you're a dumb person.

Section S5

https://www.usada.org/wp-content/uploads/wada_2021_english_prohibited_list.pdf

Its not a masking agent. why do you guys insist of talking about what you dont know. You guys repeat misinformation you hear cause you agree with it instead of seeking the truth.

[tokon]

I didn't make an analogy with baseball. I responded to someone bringing up baseball who was implying baseball is tough on PEDs and boxing is not (though it is a fair point that baseball is not a weight category sport). My main point in response was that baseball hardly tests compared to boxing and there are obvious drug cheats that baseball has turned a blind eye to.

You say the out of competition and WADA aspects are a red herring, but you don't make an argument for why this is so. I would agree as far as the WBC goes. They should refuse to sanction the fight based on how their clean boxing program is supposed to operate, though that would seem to punish Conceicao more than Valdez. As far as the Tribe's Athletic Commission goes, they can make their own decision based on the evidence as detailed previously.

Obviously the drug was detected after random testing by VADA had been agreed by contract for the fight. The positive test was from samples taken on 13 August and the testing began in July. VADA does the testing and reports the results. Results which do not break WADA rules but do clash with the WBC's clean boxing program. So, yes, Conceicao could claim breach of contract and get out of the fight. Does he want to? The WBC should refuse to sanction the fight. The Athletic Commission have obviously decided on the balance of evidence to proceed.

The fact that the testing was conducted as part of the WBC Clean Boxing program and also during the "under contract" period for vada testing explained why this wada "out of competition" bs wasn't relevant in this case.

Irrelevant now really anyway isn't it, as WBC have decided that "clean boxing" means allowing the use of performance enhancing substances banned by their appointed testing agency.

[Richie_R]

Valdez is great? Lmfao.

He cheated. Canelo cheated. They got caught. I don’t think it had anything to do with their being Mexican.

Your people are the biggest cheats on the planet. Only 10% of the population but commit 60% of the crime.

[Sid-Knee]

You still haven't named an legit UK legend, aside from Lennox (who is barely even from the UK), from the past 4 decades lmao. See unlike you I call out fighter like Valdez.......meanwhile you still think the UK are a top boxing nation....which they havent been since the early 1900s

You're the one who ran away as per usual. But you know. I've embarrassed you enough times for you not to.

We weren't able to get that far due to you refusing to answer to any of your comments. But you want recent great fighters? Sure. I've already given you some of them, but your delusion got in the way again.

Benn.
Eubank
Calzaghe.
Froch.
Hamed.
Hatton.
Lewis.

There's 7. You're going to have to give me double that in recent times just to match it due to per capita as you have double our numbers. But you only have 5 in total. The rest are not great. So you fail in a huge way. But give it a go again if you want and justify their position like i can. I've tried ever since, but you avoid and deflect. That tells us both everything. Any other thought is your crippling delusion. Nothing more.

Joshua and Fury are on their way to being great. But we'll have to wait until we get there to confirm.

I've got very good fighters (Better than every Mexican in history other than your top 5) in Josh Taylor, David Haye, Ken Buchanan, Amir Khan, Robin Reid, Michael Watson.

So there's 8 very good fighters including AJ and Fury. You're going to have to give me 16. Which is impossible for you to do. Trust me, i know your history. You clearly don't however. I mean, who the f3ck puts Arce in their top 10? Fighters like Castillo, Montiel, Medina are much better than a fighter without a world class win.

How i work it out is, 1 point for a good world class win, 2 points for a very good win, 3 points for a great win, and 4 points for a ATG/HOF win. You have to get to 11 points to get into the hall. You can do it any way you want. Beat 11 good world class fighters or beat a few great fighters like Ray Leonard did. But you have to justify their position.

Did you check the Olympic medal table in boxing? Yeah, you did. You also haven't explained your bias towards White fighters. However, you did seem alarmed when you realised. But i just put it down to a realisation that you'd f3cked up due to all Mexicans who have done anything ever as being the Whiter European ones, and not a moral issue. I mean come on, you have morals? Don't be ******. You don't even have any self-respect for f3ck sake.

[Monty Fisto]

The fact that the testing was conducted as part of the WBC Clean Boxing program and also during the "under contract" period for vada testing explained why this wada "out of competition" bs wasn't relevant in this case.

Irrelevant now really anyway isn't it, as WBC have decided that "clean boxing" means allowing the use of performance enhancing substances banned by their appointed testing agency.

Which part of VADA do the testing and no more do you not understand? VADA is effectively a testing arm for athletic commissions who do not conduct tests themselves. They test for their list of prohibited substances and then report.

VADA's own words:"Athletes will agree that all results are immediately released to the appropriate adjudicating commission overseeing their upcoming contest."

That's what happened. VADA do not decide what happens next, the adjudicating commission does. The athletic commission has obviously adjudicated along the lines of WADA, which is to not regard the substance in question as prohibited out of competition. You can call it irrelevant all you want, but it is the rule and it seems that the adjudicating bodies involved do not agree with you.

Already agreed that the WBC should not sanction it. But they are and that's down to them.

[The Big Dunn]

Your people are the biggest cheats on the planet. Only 10% of the population but commit 60% of the crime.

Typical deflection tactic- point to black people. Doesn’t change the fact that’s Valdez and canelo tested positive.g