Pacquiao is the most atheletic fighter since Roy Jones

[We want Floyd]

You're only focusing on the attributes of being athletic that suits your post. You conviniently forget things such as reflexes and flexibility.

Well, the thread starter only had foot speed and handspeed in mind.

But, reflexes, hmm, see the thing is... PAC is so offensive minded, he's so tenacious that he forgets about defense and just "wants some". So that could give off the wrong impression that his reflexes might not be that good. Rather than looking for the right time, he just tries to barrell his way through and sometimes gets caught, unlike chicken **** Floyd and RJJ.

I mean, when you're a risk taker like PAC, the percentage of getting caught goes way up compared to potshotters like Floyd, RJJ, etc.. Imagine if Floyd became more offensive and actually threw combinations in some of those fights, hmm

[Pullcounter]

Pacquiao is the most athletic fighter since Roy Jones in his prime. Ive thought this for while but never had the balls to say it, but fcuk it thats what i think. Cant think of anyone with the raw power and speed of hand & foot since Roy Jones.

Im not one to overate a fighter and im not trying to make him out to be unbeatable or anything, just that his pure athleticism is what makes him the fighter he is imo. I mean how can you make the mistakes this guy makes and not pay for it yet beat some of the best fighters around his weight.

I think he is being overhyped and he probably will get beat by a technically superior fight but one thing he deserves a big up for is that athleticism.

Think about how he had David Diaz falling face first to the canvas because his body went so limp he could not even put his hands out to stop himself, what about his demolition of Hatton ?

His feet are so fast to, thats what goes unnoticed a lot of the time.

yes, pac is a supreme athlete, but that can only take him so far. I think 147 is too far.

[Dynamite Kid]

Your observations are not far-fetched at all. I've been holding back this same notion, but the culmination of athletic ability and experience that we are now seeing, he's even scarier now than when he annihilated MAB.

You know, earlier this year I had a conversation with a president of one of the leading boxing equipment makers. I had asked him about PAC. Since he mentioned that he had personally delivered a set of boxing gloves to WildCard for PAC's use in his preparation for the Hatton fight just days prior to my visit in his office.

Well, let me first tell you about this president's background . He has been around since Ali was Cassius Clay, actually knew Ali since some of Ali's famous photos were taken by him, was a former fighter himself. He has seen many of the greatest boxers to ever grace this earth during their workout sessions, sparring sessions and their biggest fights.

And he told me that PAC's speed was unfriggin'believable. He actually rates PAC's speed alone in the top 5 of all-time! I personally thought whoa, that's pretty crazy, but then again, this was a guy who had seen 'em all. Who am I to argue that.

So, one of the other questions I asked him was who is faster, Khan or PAC, he responded w/o even having to think about it and said PAC! He was also there for one of the sparring sessions between PAC and Khan.

Now, I have been fortunate enough to have seen PAC at the WCB in one of his workout sessions, he was actually already in peak form, this was when he was about to fight Erika for the third time. And I'm tellin' ya, I knew PAC was fast, but my mouth just dropped as I was standing 3 feet away from him while he was moving around the ring throwing punches.

The thought that went through my head, was like, jesus christ "is this guy human", I'm not kiddin' y'all, I have never seen speed like that in front of me. What we see on t.v. and in person are two totally different things.

And as you mentioned about PAC's feet. Well, during my observation of PAC in that same visit, I shifted my focus on his footwork and that was another jaw droppin' moment. Again, when you actually see this **** in person, his feet sometimes doesn't appear like it's touchin' the canvass, obviously it is, but it so d*mn fast.

He really moves at a dizzyin pace, man. Imagine facing a guy who already has quick hands and moves like a f**kin' bee at the same time, that's PAC!

After seeing PAC. I thought to myself, wow, I had a new found respect for Erik Morales. 'Cause, that speed alone was overwhelming enough, but to deal with the power that comes with the speed for 22 rounds. I say 22 because I don't really count the 3rd fight anymore.

PAC's speed is a sight to behold - Jim Lampley and We Want Floyd(I had the same exact thought run in my mind when I saw PAC at WildCard)

Nice post/read.


I pretty much agree. Its Pacquiao's foot speed that i found so remarkable, you would think its easy to corner a guy like Pacquiao because his footwork when pressured leaves a lot to be desired but his hands are so quick he can hit you 3 times (with power) before you reach him and his feet are quick enough to keep him off the ropes and get him back to the centre of the ring.

Another reason i compared him to Jones is because no one hits with the same speed combined with power since Roy Jones. Shane Mosley is the only comparison imo, because he has knocked a few people silly with speed and power. Lots of fighters throw fast but with an open glove so they look faster because they are not punching with authority. Pacquiao punches hard and fast, Khan punches might look faster to some but that is because he has took the steam of his shots since joining up with Roach.

Lampley said it best "Manny Pacquiao is a storm" and that is what he is, his hand speed combined with punching power and tremendous footspeed.

Mike Tyson like Manny had extremely underrated foot speed that no one seems to mention, they focus more on his hand speed.

[Dynamite Kid]

Well, the thread starter only had foot speed and handspeed in mind.

But, reflexes, hmm, see the thing is... PAC is so offensive minded, he's so tenacious that he forgets about defense and just "wants some". So that could give off the wrong impression that his reflexes might not be that good. Rather than looking for the right time, he just tries to barrell his way through and sometimes gets caught, unlike chicken **** Floyd and RJJ.

I mean, when you're a risk taker like PAC, the percentage of getting caught goes way up compared to potshotters like Floyd, RJJ, etc.. Imagine if Floyd became more offensive and actually threw combinations in some of those fights, hmm

Thats true, i mean ive heard people say Floyd is better than Whitaker defensively because Whitaker has been dropped and hurt where as Floyd has not, now i hear that and i say a lot of those were from being off balance but to a degree they are right Floyd has not been hit as much as Whitaker, but!!!! Whitaker was more offensive than Mayweather and he took more chances in the ring, he fought better opposition to, that is why i will always put him above Floyd defensively.

[sycomantz]

I dont believe Judah had the the foot speed of Pacquiao or the KO power, he can hit yes, but can he knock Hatton sparko in 2 or can he knock Diaz silly and have him falling on his face because his body is so limp he cant stop himself ?

are you ****in kidding me...Pac's power is not even on the same planet as Zab...you are nut hugging pac way too much.

he isnt that strong, if so he would have KO'ed JMM and left him down. but he couldnt.

pac is overrated

floyd power>>>pacs power.

i hope pac beats cotto b.c floyd is going to beat Pac senseless

[Dynamite Kid]

You're only focusing on the attributes of being athletic that suits your post. You conviniently forget things such as reflexes and flexibility.

Im not conveniently forget things such as reflexes and flexibility. Ive already said Floyd Mayweather's reflexes are supreme, but does Floyd Mayweather have quicker hands and feet ? i say no, does he hit as hard ? i say no.

There is a reason Pacquiao has beaten elite fighters regardless whether he is technically flawed.

Shane Mosley is the only one that has been spoke of that i could make a comparison with, Judah does not hit like Pac, he does not have the foot speed, albeit he does have the hand speed, he also does not have the stamina which is something i overlooked.

Mosley is the only one that comes close imo.

[sycomantz]

Well, the thread starter only had foot speed and handspeed in mind.

But, reflexes, hmm, see the thing is... PAC is so offensive minded, he's so tenacious that he forgets about defense and just "wants some". So that could give off the wrong impression that his reflexes might not be that good. Rather than looking for the right time, he just tries to barrell his way through and sometimes gets caught, unlike chicken **** Floyd and RJJ.

I mean, when you're a risk taker like PAC, the percentage of getting caught goes way up compared to potshotters like Floyd, RJJ, etc.. Imagine if Floyd became more offensive and actually threw combinations in some of those fights, hmm

go loook at floyd at 130 and 140 when he was more offensive...it destroyed cats there were always bigger than him

**** pac

[Dynamite Kid]

are you ****in kidding me...Pac's power is not even on the same planet as Zab...you are nut hugging pac way too much.

he isnt that strong, if so he would have KO'ed JMM and left him down. but he couldnt.

pac is overrated

floyd power>>>pacs power.

i hope pac beats cotto b.c floyd is going to beat Pac senseless

I stopped reading after "floyd power>>>pacs power"

[Junito-Rulez]

Sam peter is the better athlete.

[sycomantz]

Im not conveniently forget things such as reflexes and flexibility. Ive already said Floyd Mayweather's reflexes are supreme, but does Floyd Mayweather have quicker hands and feet ? i say no, does he hit as hard ? i say no.

There is a reason Pacquiao has beaten elite fighters regardless whether he is technically flawed.

Shane Mosley is the only one that has been spoke of that i could make a comparison with, Judah does not hit like Pac, he does not have the foot speed, albeit he does have the hand speed, he also does not have the stamina which is something i overlooked.

Mosley is the only one that comes close imo.

your misunderstanding of **** is out there.

pac leaps and jumps around the ring...floyd is conservative and calculated with everything he does.

how do you think he packs such a punch in such short and quick punches.

pac wings punches. again..what careers has pac sent down the tubes? he hasnt while floyd has beat the piss out of prime fighters and sent their careers on a downward spiral

if you are going to compare floyd and pac you need to judge them differently since they fight differently.

look at how much movement pac needs to move around. look at how much he needs to wing punches for power. floyd doesnt have to do that b/c he places his punches precisely

again...i cant wait for pac to get in the ring with floyd and you will see how floyd murks him.

you dont have to rely on speed if you know how to time. look at what foyd did to judah...pac is not nearly as fast and powerful as judah. no questions asked