Willie Pep better defense than Floyd or Pernell? Bull.

[crold1]

Im refering to Robinson as in style or technique , he was ahead of his time , not the date they fought or when they were born but styles maybe I should have worded it different than I did although it clearly says " in his style " . . I believe Robinson is the most influential fighter in history so far he changed the art .

" Robinson was the one that started the ball rolling into the modern fighter I think Pep was just before this in his style "

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On that I'll just disagree. Most of the styles we see today were present by the 1930s and 40s...earlier in some cases. Watch guys like Canzoneri, Chocolate, Charles...all fought in modern styles and would win in the modern era.

Pep...fights a lot like Ivan Calderon don't he?

That is not to say modern fighters wouldn't hang with the old legends or win some. If Willie Pep were turning pro today, he'd still easily be a champion but he'd also fight and train in today's environment. Meaning, he'd have between 40-50 fights and be in the P4P race while being considered anathema to the all-time debates by purists.

[JAB5239]

Not saying the greats have no chance ,,,,,, but they all get beat by the modern greats thats the meat of what Im saying , athletes are better today .

I've had this discussion a million times and I still disagree. Equipment and playing conditions have changed and advance to favor todays athletes in most sports. Boxing is no different. Less rounds, less fights, day before weigh ins, more divisions, more belts, better mouth pieces, heavier and better padded gloves, quicker stoppages. all these things make it easier for fighters today. It doesn't make them better.

[crold1]

I've had this discussion a million times and I still disagree. Equipment and playing conditions have changed and advance to favor todays athletes in most sports. Boxing is no different. Less rounds, less fights, day before weigh ins, more divisions, more belts, better mouth pieces, heavier and better padded gloves, quicker stoppages. all these things make it easier for fighters today. It doesn't make them better.

Don't leave out the impact of JUICE!

[TheGreatA]

I think it was Robinson himself who said that he never invented anything. He simply put everything together.

He also said that Willie Pep was the best pure boxer he ever saw.

[Brick Tamland]

People forget, that back then, boxers fought for the whole 3 mins of a round, not 20 secs at the end of a round.

[studentofthegam]

Judah is just more athletic so it looks like he is winning. But Judah backing up is not a sign that he giving it to Kostya. Kostya was just that good in timing him. And it was not just one good punch.

No the part where he backed him up and punched him in the face. Dont jus see what you wana see.

[JAB5239]

I've had this discussion a million times and I still disagree. Equipment and playing conditions have changed and advance to favor todays athletes in most sports. Boxing is no different. Less rounds, less fights, day before weigh ins, more divisions, more belts, better mouth pieces, heavier and better padded gloves, quicker stoppages. all these things make it easier for fighters today. It doesn't make them better.

None of you guys claiming todays athletes as better want to argue any of these points?

[crold1]

No the part where he backed him up and punched him in the face. Dont jus see what you wana see.

Yup, he had a great first two minutes. Then Tszyu caught him with a counter hook in the last minute of the first and Judah was on his horse until Tszyu knocked him off.

Tszyu can be overrated by some, but only if he's rated above figures like Pryor, Chavez, Locche or Cervates. Beyond that, he fits in pretty much anywhere at 40.

[Pullcounter]

To bad I dont know how to put up the youtube video. Anyone who believes this is true better be 70 yrs old. I pulled up some Pep clips and started laughing. Now that was real running when Saddle started whoopin that head. I think it is just trendy to put him in the same class with fighters today. Young guys trying to sound like savants and all well rounded and ****. HAHA. At best Pep gets pointed out by Donaire at FW. MAyweather.Pernel. Just stop it.

if you haven't seen pep fight then you need to stfu.

[studentofthegam]

Yup, he had a great first two minutes. Then Tszyu caught him with a counter hook in the last minute of the first and Judah was on his horse until Tszyu knocked him off.

Tszyu can be overrated by some, but only if he's rated above figures like Pryor, Chavez, Locche or Cervates. Beyond that, he fits in pretty much anywhere at 40.

2minutes qualifies ass half of the fight in this case. hahaha.