Willie Pep better defense than Floyd or Pernell? Bull.

[studentofthegam]

That none of us should have responded. Thanks.

You got it

[RodBarker]

Im sorry my friend, but fighters from the 30's, 40's, 50's etc. were better conditioned than todays fighters.

As far as how styles match up.......that is a matter of opinion since we have no way to reasonably compare the two unless actually matched head to head.

Conditioning wise not a chance mate , science has jumped light years since the 30 to 50s in terms of sports nutrition and exercise they didnt even have a refrigerator and drank rusty water for iron supplement , for absolute proof of the conditioning improvements today you only need to to cross reference to all other sport where todays athletes have smashed all records from the 30s - 50s , I thinks its being a little bit head in the sand to think boxing has it own rules above all sports its fairer to say boxing must reflect other sport , dont be confused with 20 rounds of standing around in the past to the pace of todays fights and the power that goes along with the pace , more deaths have been in the modern era because the fighters are too put it bluntly more deadly .

But anyway its **** we will never know .

[kaki]

pep was a very crafty fighter. a real fluid boxer. better than anybody we have today (maybe other than hopkins in the skills dept.)

[Doctor_Tenma]

Conditioning wise not a chance mate , science has jumped light years since the 30 to 50s in terms of sports nutrition and exercise they didnt even have a refrigerator and drank rusty water for iron supplement , for absolute proof of the conditioning improvements today you only need to to cross reference to all other sport where todays athletes have smashed all records from the 30s - 50s , I thinks its being a little bit head in the sand to think boxing has it own rules above all sports its fairer to say boxing must reflect other sport , dont be confused with 20 rounds of standing around in the past to the pace of todays fights and the power that goes along with the pace , more deaths have been in the modern era because the fighters are too put it bluntly more deadly .

But anyway its **** we will never know .

Jab has a point, fighters back then faught 15 rounds. Today we have fighters like Clottey, Cotto, Taylor who get tired before the 10th round. Ali was able to go 15 rounds with HIGH activity. Fighters back then were better conditioned.

[crold1]

Conditioning wise not a chance mate , science has jumped light years since the 30 to 50s in terms of sports nutrition and exercise they didnt even have a refrigerator and drank rusty water for iron supplement , for absolute proof of the conditioning improvements today you only need to to cross reference to all other sport where todays athletes have smashed all records from the 30s - 50s , I thinks its being a little bit head in the sand to think boxing has it own rules above all sports its fairer to say boxing must reflect other sport , dont be confused with 20 rounds of standing around in the past to the pace of todays fights and the power that goes along with the pace , more deaths have been in the modern era because the fighters are too put it bluntly more deadly .

But anyway its **** we will never know .

There is a key difference between most other sports and boxing: weight classes. Offensive lineman in football...much bigger.

Centers in Basketball? No comparison in size generally.

A welterweight? Still a welterweight (ok, maybe a Jr. Middle with day before weigh-ins).

Further, what source indicates more death now? What sources they are might point to more dangerous gloves with plastic insides rather than horsehair.

[kaki]

guys who say boxers today are better than those from back then are clueless.

compare the 90's to now. there's no comparison. a guy like frankie randall would be comfortably ruling the 140 division right now.

[crold1]

guys who say boxers today are better than those from back then are clueless.

compare the 90's to now. there's no comparison. a guy like frankie randall would be comfortably ruling the 140 division right now.

Depends on the weight class. You pick 140. Okay...maybe. But there was no reason, when the fearsome four were running wild at 126, to think any or all would not have been bad ass in another time. Same with Mayweather and co. at 130 earlier in the decade. Think Mayweather couldn't have hung with Escalera or Arguello?

I think highly of the old timers but greatness can and does break out in different spots in all eras.

[kaki]

Depends on the weight class. You pick 140. Okay...maybe. But there was no reason, when the fearsome four were running wild at 126, to think any or all would not have been bad ass in another time. Same with Mayweather and co. at 130 earlier in the decade. Think Mayweather couldn't have hung with Escalera or Arguello?

I think highly of the old timers but greatness can and does break out in different spots in all eras.

of course. i consider mayweather the H2H greatest at 130. he'd convincingly beat arguello IMO. PBF, Hopkins, Toney(the young version anyway), and JMM are the only fighters in the world today who can be considered "old school" crafty.

but is JMM any better than McGirt? not imo.

[crold1]

of course. i consider mayweather the H2H greatest at 130. he'd convincingly beat arguello IMO. PBF, Hopkins, Toney(the young version anyway), and JMM are the only fighters in the world today who can be considered "old school" crafty.

but is JMM any better than McGirt? not imo.

That's not a sin. While forgotten by some, Buddy was one hell of a fighter. If he's only 'just as good' as McGirt, that's fine.

[kaki]

That's not a sin. While forgotten by some, Buddy was one hell of a fighter. If he's only 'just as good' as McGirt, that's fine.

yeah. i agree. mcgirt-whitaker I and mcgirt-simon are must-watch fights for any purist.