Comments Thread For: Promoter: If Ali Can Beat The Best at That Size - So Can Usyk!

[landotter]

OK, we can all agree this comment was aimed at the low IQ boxing fans to pump up interest in his fighter. But, come on. It NEVER pays to compare a current fighter to ones from bygone eras. The history of the sport just shows how night and day the athletes of each era are, from training methods, to frequency of fights, and what levels of competition there were. There is just nothing to really hang your argument that will not be torn to shreds by someone with even the most basic knowledge of boxing history.

Also, it is pure ******ity to compare your fighter to an all time great. Ali is on the Mount Rushmore of boxers to the vast majority of people Regardless if Usyk embarrasses and dominates all the top HW and retires undefeated and unified after doing the same at CW, he just will not get anywhere near that level. There is only backlash waiting for your fighter if you do that.

Silly comment. It cannot be defended honestly. And I like Usyk's chances against Joshua.

[Toffee]

U keep telling yourself Ruiz was #1 at one time and ill tell you that's not tru.

TBRB ranked Ruiz at #1. It's not my opinion, it's a statement of fact.

Klitschko was ranked #1 prior to fighting Joshua, but removed due to inactivity (which was really Fury's inactivity). Joshua was ranked #2 prior to fighting Klitschko. After the fight the rankings reversed at #1 and #2.

Again these are facts, not opinions.

If you don't like TBRB's rankings then fair enough. Base it on something else.

[Fists_of_Fury]

Ali was taller, had longer reach and weighed more than most of his opponents. The opponents that weighed more than him, didn't by much. Ali was also more skilled than Usyk. There's really no comparison between Usyk and Ali. This era has taller guys that weigh more.

[nino brown21]

Ali also had one of the softest jabs of any heavyweight ever and almost anyone else at any other weight as well. Bowe ended the reign of the HW manlets for good.

Ya there's no question about that , usyk is a heck of a fighter n I like him and he has the tools to win but comparing all these fighters to past greats is azz.!

[sargo]

We should all rewatch Ali and see how great he truly was. A heavyweight moving like a welterweight.

[The plunger man]

Ali wasn't comparable to most, he was a lot bigger than most overall: taller, rangier, heavier. So was Joe Louis for that matter. There has always been a strong correlation between size and quality at HW (up to a point ofc: Carnera and Valuev had greater size but vastly inferior skills and athleticism).

In Ali's day most of Usyk's best cruiser opponents would have been big HW's: the vast majority were 6'-6'3 and over 200 lbs. Chisora is a gatekeeper but an older and more worn version was robbed against Parker and Parker is one of AJ's best wins. Chisora is also stylistically all wrong for Usyk and had a year to prepare: the fighter who gave Usyk the most problems in the WSB was not Joe Joyce or Majidov but the short, fat pressure fighter Mihai Nistor. Witherspoon lost every round clearly with Usyk in 2nd gear and Usyk beat Chisora (who is teak-tough, more durable than AJ) comfortably, only really lost the first 2 rounds. AJ has more ways to win considering they are fighting in Britain but I won't be suprised if Usyk pulls the u[pset and stops him.

usyk trainer looked up and said if Ali could beat the bigger guys so can usyk so straight away he is wrong...Ali from day 1 was a heavyweight and he was fighting heavyweights unlike usyk who for a 90% of his career was fighting 13stone men....as I said Ali was comparable in weight to lot of his opponents unlike usyk who as of yet as beaten nobody of standing in the top division ...Joshua would crucify chisora and probably give him the biggest beating of his life...pulev beat chisora more clearly than usyk and as for Witherspoon who the hell is he...Joshua can keep usyk on the end of jab if he wants to or he step inside and man handle him....Joshua is by far the consistently biggest puncher in the division and can finish with any punch.
lomachencko got his ass handed to him purely because of Lopez and size and usyk is about to get the same treatment from Joshua

[NEETzschean]

usyk trainer looked up and said if Ali could beat the bigger guys so can usyk so straight away he is wrong...Ali from day 1 was a heavyweight and he was fighting heavyweights unlike usyk who for a 90% of his career was fighting 13stone men....as I said Ali was comparable in weight to lot of his opponents unlike usyk who as of yet as beaten nobody of standing in the top division ...Joshua would crucify chisora and probably give him the biggest beating of his life...pulev beat chisora more clearly than usyk and as for Witherspoon who the hell is he...Joshua can keep usyk on the end of jab if he wants to or he step inside and man handle him....Joshua is by far the consistently biggest puncher in the division and can finish with any punch.
lomachencko got his ass handed to him purely because of Lopez and size and usyk is about to get the same treatment from Joshua

From day 1 Ali was fighting under the modern cruiser limit, up to his 16th fight he was always below 200 lbs and modern cruisers fight closer to 210 lbs on the night. In Ali's 24th fight he was 201.5 lbs at 24.5 years old (his apparent prime) and Ali was mainly fighting what would be rehydrated light heavies and small cruisers today. Usyk's elite cruiser opponents have all been 14-15 stone, big heavyweights back in Ali's day. Usyk was in 2nd gear against Witherspoon, won every round and beat him easily and he did a better job against 255.5 lbs Chisora than anyone aside from Fury and Haye and hurt Chisora in the mid rounds.

It's pure speculation to say that AJ would beat Chisora comfortably. Hearn never made the fight when AJ was on the way up fighting the likes of green Whyte, Breazeale and Molina. Andy Ruiz is the most similar fighter AJ has fought to Chisora and he got smashed, in the amateurs Mihai Nistor was similar to Chisora but smaller and faster and he stopped AJ. AJ's power is overrated; he's an accumulation puncher like Fury not a one-shot KO artist like Wlad or Wilder. If his opponent has durability, heart, stamina and defensive skills AJ is unlikely to take them out. He hasn't stopped anyone within the first half of a fight since chinny quitting journeyman Molina 5 years ago, couldn't KD or KO Parker, couldn't KO Takam without a gift stoppage late, couldn't KO Ruiz x2. Loma gave away the first half of the fight to Lopez but clearly won most of the later rounds and AJ isn't Lopez. With a pathetic gas tank and a chin like that, he can't be confident that Usyk won't beat him up and stop him.

[The plunger man]

From day 1 Ali was fighting under the modern cruiser limit, up to his 16th fight he was always below 200 lbs and modern cruisers fight closer to 210 lbs on the night. In Ali's 24th fight he was 201.5 lbs at 24.5 years old (his apparent prime) and Ali was mainly fighting what would be rehydrated light heavies and small cruisers today. Usyk's elite cruiser opponents have all been 14-15 stone, big heavyweights back in Ali's day. Usyk was in 2nd gear against Witherspoon, won every round and beat him easily and he did a better job against 255.5 lbs Chisora than anyone aside from Fury and Haye and hurt Chisora in the mid rounds.

It's pure speculation to say that AJ would beat Chisora comfortably. Hearn never made the fight when AJ was on the way up fighting the likes of green Whyte, Breazeale and Molina. Andy Ruiz is the most similar fighter AJ has fought to Chisora and he got smashed, in the amateurs Mihai Nistor was similar to Chisora but smaller and faster and he stopped AJ. AJ's power is overrated; he's an accumulation puncher like Fury not a one-shot KO artist like Wlad or Wilder. If his opponent has durability, heart, stamina and defensive skills AJ is unlikely to take them out. He hasn't stopped anyone within the first half of a fight since chinny quitting journeyman Molina 5 years ago, couldn't KD or KO Parker, couldn't KO Takam without a gift stoppage late, couldn't KO Ruiz x2. Loma gave away the first half of the fight to Lopez but clearly won most of the later rounds and AJ isn't Lopez. With a pathetic gas tank and a chin like that, he can't be confident that Usyk won't beat him up and stop him.

who the **** is talking about today you dumb ****ing idiot......Ali was a heavyweight in his era.
how much do you wanna lay on the line that Joshua beats usyk and name the price ? Chisora did not get smashed by usyk ....he lost because his age and shop worn and would be slaughter food for Joshua.
Stop talking and put your money your mouth is newbie

[NEETzschean]

who the **** is talking about today you dumb ****ing idiot......Ali was a heavyweight in his era.
how much do you wanna lay on the line that Joshua beats usyk and name the price ? Chisora did not get smashed by usyk ....he lost because his age and shop worn and would be slaughter food for Joshua.
Stop talking and put your money your mouth is newbie

Philadelphia Jack O'Brian was a heavyweight in his era too at 163.5 lbs but neither he or young Ali would be heavyweights today. I've already made by bets with reputable bookies: AJ on points or Usyk KO 7-12. Fat Andy isn't as good as Chisora but he exposed AJ and took his soul. AJ's gas tank, chin and heart problems are such that any top 5 heavyweight has an excellent chance of beating him.

[The plunger man]

Philadelphia Jack O'Brian was a heavyweight in his era too at 163.5 lbs but neither he or young Ali would be heavyweights today. I've already made by bets with reputable bookies: AJ on points or Usyk KO 7-12. Fat Andy isn't as good as Chisora but he exposed AJ and took his soul. AJ's gas tank, chin and heart problems are such that any top 5 heavyweight has an excellent chance of beating him.

who even mentioned about Ali being a heavyweight of this era......your making it up as you go along....Ali was a heavy for his era and so was most of his challengers were comparable in weight so stop about this era trying to change the goalposts.......Joshua is gonna hurt usyk and stop.....too big , too sharp and too athletic and he has improved into an all round better mover And boxer and showed no stamina issues in beating Ruiz easily over 12 and dominating and stop pulev......who handled chisora a lot easier than what usyk did.......put your money where your mouth is with me or stop messaging me newbie.