How Bad did Marvis Fraiser Suck?!

[jedihillis]

I just watched the fight with Larry Holmes, and this kid shouldn't have even been in the same arena as Holmes. He did even worse against Tyson. Was there ever a fight where he showed any potential for greatness? Holmes just embarresed the crap outta him. It was funny as hell!

[cple]

Marvis Frazier was a good fighter. He wasn't as helpless and useless as people make him out to be. The skill and talent were there and he definately had potential to be a contender. However, Joe, his trainer/father, tried to make Marvis emulate his style, when he was cearly better as a boxer. Marvis simply wasn't meant to be a swarmer.

That plus the combination of fighting Tyson and Holmes wayyyyy too early led to his demise. Frazier could've had a better career in boxing, and it's a same that all people remember of him were his crushing defeats. He was better than that.

[Guest]

Anyone read Smokin' Joe's biography? I remember him saying he thought it'd be best for Marvis to "take the money" against Tyson, rather than get bashed about for a few years without making any real cash.

[jack_the_rippuh]

The Holmes fight was very embarrasing. That one-two combo Holmes knocked him down with was picture perfect...a funny part in the fight was when Holmes was winding up his right hand before he'd hit 'em...He knocked the mouthpiece out of poor Frazier's mouth at one point..

Did you see the kind of smile Joe Frazier had on his face while hugging his son? It looked like in his mind he was saying, "Damn, you just got knocked the **** out.."

[Run]

Joe Frazier was a great fighter and champion.

It sickened me when I read about his dealings with Muhammed Ali. Ali, after his ban from boxing....had nowhere to go, and was low on money. Frazier lent him 1 mil and shortly after that..........Ali was badmouthing him:

IE:

I call Joe "the mummy". because he is too slow. Here come the left.......RRRAAAAARRR....here come the right.....RRRRAAAR. hes too slow man....im pretty....

I understand he was promoting the fight, but publicly humiliating someone like that..........on top of calling him uncle tom.....makes me think of who I would have been reuting for.



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[Guest]

The Holmes fight was very embarrasing. That one-two combo Holmes knocked him down with was picture perfect...a funny part in the fight was when Holmes was winding up his right hand before he'd hit 'em...He knocked the mouthpiece out of poor Frazier's mouth at one point..

Did you see the kind of smile Joe Frazier had on his face while hugging his son? It looked like in his mind he was saying, "Damn, you just got knocked the **** out.."

I hated Holmes when I first saw that, I thought it was a crappy thing to do. But then when I watched it again, it seemed as if his "winding punch" was actually him calling the ref to stop it, which puts Holmes in a completely different light.

Oh,Run - sorry to contradict, but the Mummy was his routine for Foreman. Having said that, his routine for Joe was worse.

[jack_the_rippuh]

Joe Frazier was a great fighter and champion.

It sickened me when I read about his dealings with Muhammed Ali. Ali, after his ban from boxing....had nowhere to go, and was low on money. Frazier lent him 1 mil and shortly after that..........Ali was badmouthing him:

IE:

I call Joe "the mummy". because he is too slow. Here come the left.......RRRAAAAARRR....here come the right.....RRRRAAAR. hes too slow man....im pretty....

I understand he was promoting the fight, but publicly humiliating someone like that..........on top of calling him uncle tom.....makes me think of who I would have been reuting for.

That's what I call ungrateful. The point is, he didn't have to do that to sell tickets.

[jack_the_rippuh]

I hated Holmes when I first saw that, I thought it was a crappy thing to do. But then when I watched it again, it seemed as if his "winding punch" was actually him calling the ref to stop it, which puts Holmes in a completely different light.

Oh,Run - sorry to contradict, but the Mummy was his routine for Foreman. Having said that, his routine for Joe was worse.

Oh, I thought Holmes was showboating while he was winding up the glove. I remember watching the Jones/Woods fight where Jones does that to call the ref to stop the fight, the corner ends up throwing in the towel, though..

[Guest]

Oh, I thought Holmes was showboating while he was winding up the glove. I remember watching the Jones/Woods fight where Jones does that to call the ref to stop the fight, the corner ends up throwing in the towel, though..

That's EXACTLY what I thought the first time I saw it. I thought "what a ****". Watch it a second time (I'll upload it if you haven't still got it) and see what you think. I felt guilty for thinking badly about Holmes afterwards.

[BOKSukraine]

Anyone read Smokin' Joe's biography? I remember him saying he thought it'd be best for Marvis to "take the money" against Tyson, rather than get bashed about for a few years without making any real cash.

Damn, let's hope Marvis can't read.