Comments Thread For: Arum: My Position Is - If Fury and Joshua Win, Screw Any Mandatories!

[Oregonian]

Wilder knocked Fury out for several seconds in the first fight. 9 times out of ten, the fight would have been stopped. In the second fight, Wilder felt weak and was out of sorts, but fought anyway. He believes his water was spiked. You can bet he has toxicology results to back up that allegation. He then showed credible evidence (and honest people can see for themselves) that Fury's gloves appeared to lack padding and, at times, were bending in such a way to suggest that his fist was in the wrist area of the gloves:

Then we have the antics: multiple fight delays, expired contracts, interim fights, undisputed fights. Fury doing everything possible to avoid stepping through those ropes and facing a vengeful and determined fighter who has the highest knockout ratio in heavyweight boxing history.

But this time, unlike Klitschko, Fury has been ordered to honor the contract he signed, or retire. Makes you wonder what Klitschko would have done to him if Klitschko was given a chance to regain his titles. Wilder has that chance now and can't wait to get Fury in the ring. Let's see if Fury shows up...

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To use your logic (that you are pandering as facts), because Wilder believes his water was spiked and “you can bet he has toxicology results that back up his claim”, well, let’s do the same for these guys;

All these guys tested positive for a banned substance but you can bet their toxicology results and their claim that it’s all lies to discredit them.

• Canelo Alvarez - Clenbuterol
• Luis Nery - Zilpaterol
• Dillian Whyte - Methylhexaneamine
• Jarrell Miller - GW1516
• Kid Galahad - Stanozolol
• Eric Molina - Dexamethasone
• Bermane Stiverne - Methylhexanamine
• Billy Joe Saunders - Oxilofrine
• Luis Ortiz - Hydrochlorothiazide
• Alexander Povetkin - Meldonium
• Tony Yoka - Missed three drug tests.
• Yuriorkis Gamboa - HGH
• Mariusz Wach - Self-admitted.
• Tyrone Spong - Clomifene
• Roy Jones Jr - Androstenedione
• Ryan Martin - Metabolites
• Sadam Ali - Cathine
• Julio Cesar Chavez Jr - Diuretics

Two, “Wilder was weak and was out of sorts”, and in that context, Amir Khan, Roy Jones, PAC, Kovalev, Lennox, Oscar, Tito, Hatton, Ortiz etc were all “out of sorts” when they got KO’d. Trust me on that. I know boxing too well. These guys were out of sorts.

Three and in the context of all the “excuses”you listed, the first thing Wilder claimed after being brutalized like a pińata was the 40Ibs outfit weakened him.
He then moved in to spiked water, then loaded gloves, then accused Wilder of cheating, then accused his co-trainer of being a traitor who betrayed him. A myriad of hodge-podge nonsense that Wilder fans have come to embrace and propagate.

So, Fury beat Klitchkov and then ducked him and he beats Wilder and then ducks him. A farrago of lies, misrepresentations, lies, misinterpretation and outright hostility directed towards a guy who beat your knockout artist.
I bet I can pull dozens of fighters punching an opponent with an open punch and you’d claim their gloves were loaded.

The beauty of it all is, come October, you and all the other Wilder propaganda mouthpieces will disappear, like a smelly fart in the wind.

[Monty Fisto]

Wilder knocked Fury out for several seconds in the first fight. 9 times out of ten, the fight would have been stopped. In the second fight, Wilder felt weak and was out of sorts, but fought anyway. He believes his water was spiked. You can bet he has toxicology results to back up that allegation. He then showed credible evidence (and honest people can see for themselves) that Fury's gloves appeared to lack padding and, at times, were bending in such a way to suggest that his fist was in the wrist area of the gloves:

Then we have the antics: multiple fight delays, expired contracts, interim fights, undisputed fights. Fury doing everything possible to avoid stepping through those ropes and facing a vengeful and determined fighter who has the highest knockout ratio in heavyweight boxing history.

But this time, unlike Klitschko, Fury has been ordered to honor the contract he signed, or retire. Makes you wonder what Klitschko would have done to him if Klitschko was given a chance to regain his titles. Wilder has that chance now and can't wait to get Fury in the ring. Let's see if Fury shows up...

The way for Wilder to prove he has toxicology results would be to release those results. Given that he hasn't even claimed existence of such results, let alone shown any, I'm happy to bet the other way than your recommendation.

Regarding your spurious claim about nine times out of ten a fight would have been stopped, we've been over this before. Fury's eyes are open at the count of four, he's getting up at the count of six and he's on his feet at the ref's count of nine. He asks him if he wants to continue. Fury says yes. Fury does everything the ref asks. What exactly would be the justification for ignoring the rules about getting a ten count? Fighter is knocked down. Fighter gets up within the ten count and is fine to continue. Fight continues. Where's the controversy?

[REDEEMER]

When Wilder knocks Fury out in scary fashion in October, Hearn will be pushing for the Whyte mandatory and Joshua will go back to playing games.

Hearn knows Wilder will most likely not fight AJ ,of course he will push for a mandatory. If Whyte became the mandatory it will force a Wilder vs AJ fight down the line .

[greeneye99]

Wilder knocked Fury out for several seconds in the first fight. 9 times out of ten, the fight would have been stopped. In the second fight, Wilder felt weak and was out of sorts, but fought anyway. He believes his water was spiked. You can bet he has toxicology results to back up that allegation. He then showed credible evidence (and honest people can see for themselves) that Fury's gloves appeared to lack padding and, at times, were bending in such a way to suggest that his fist was in the wrist area of the gloves:

Then we have the antics: multiple fight delays, expired contracts, interim fights, undisputed fights. Fury doing everything possible to avoid stepping through those ropes and facing a vengeful and determined fighter who has the highest knockout ratio in heavyweight boxing history.

But this time, unlike Klitschko, Fury has been ordered to honor the contract he signed, or retire. Makes you wonder what Klitschko would have done to him if Klitschko was given a chance to regain his titles. Wilder has that chance now and can't wait to get Fury in the ring. Let's see if Fury shows up...

Man You and Champion4ever are some of the biggest Wilder Fanatics
Please release the Toxicology results Lolololol
Listen up.....
Wilder and only Deontay Wilder believes his water bottle was spiked........\
There's no evidence to back up this crazy Allegation
No one else from Wilder's Team or Management have confirmed this
Just Wilder

[davefromvancouv]

The way for Wilder to prove he has toxicology results would be to release those results. Given that he hasn't even claimed existence of such results, let alone shown any, I'm happy to bet the other way than your recommendation.

Regarding your spurious claim about nine times out of ten a fight would have been stopped, we've been over this before. Fury's eyes are open at the count of four, he's getting up at the count of six and he's on his feet at the ref's count of nine. He asks him if he wants to continue. Fury says yes. Fury does everything the ref asks. What exactly would be the justification for ignoring the rules about getting a ten count? Fighter is knocked down. Fighter gets up within the ten count and is fine to continue. Fight continues. Where's the controversy?

Fury got lucky. The way he hit the canvas, 9 out of 10 referees would have stopped the fight.

As for Wilder's proof of the water being spiked: I believe him, I believe he has proof and you can bet it won't happen again. Neither will any shenanigans from Fury. It will be a good old fashioned punch up. And Wilder will knock Fury out again. But this time, he'll stay down.

[davefromvancouv]

Man You and Champion4ever are some of the biggest Wilder Fanatics
Please release the Toxicology results Lolololol
Listen up.....
Wilder and only Deontay Wilder believes his water bottle was spiked........\
There's no evidence to back up this crazy Allegation
No one else from Wilder's Team or Management have confirmed this
Just Wilder

Fury is just prolonging the inevitable. This time, no funny business. Fury is getting knocked down multiple times then stopped for good. He's just buying time and contemplating retirement...

[BlakBread904]

The way some of y'all argue it's hard not to wonder if y'all two sides of the same paid coin.


If Fury and AJ both win their fights, their fight would be bigger than any belts, and either guy could drop a belt if a mandatory is in the way of their fight. That's what Bob is alluding to.

[davefromvancouv]

Hearn knows Wilder will most likely not fight AJ ,of course he will push for a mandatory. If Whyte became the mandatory it will force a Wilder vs AJ fight down the line .

No.

Hearn knows that Joshua is going to be a lot easier for Wilder to knock out than Fury. So he's going to put Whyte in the way the second Fury is counted out in the trilogy...

[martin_1995]

don't plan to much ahead you may not make it to next week you old, greedy bastard old man. nitramzaid@hotmail.com

[thetruthteller]

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To use your logic (that you are pandering as facts), because Wilder believes his water was spiked and “you can bet he has toxicology results that back up his claim”, well, let’s do the same for these guys;

All these guys tested positive for a banned substance but you can bet their toxicology results and their claim that it’s all lies to discredit them.

• Canelo Alvarez - Clenbuterol
• Luis Nery - Zilpaterol
• Dillian Whyte - Methylhexaneamine
• Jarrell Miller - GW1516
• Kid Galahad - Stanozolol
• Eric Molina - Dexamethasone
• Bermane Stiverne - Methylhexanamine
• Billy Joe Saunders - Oxilofrine
• Luis Ortiz - Hydrochlorothiazide
• Alexander Povetkin - Meldonium
• Tony Yoka - Missed three drug tests.
• Yuriorkis Gamboa - HGH
• Mariusz Wach - Self-admitted.
• Tyrone Spong - Clomifene
• Roy Jones Jr - Androstenedione
• Ryan Martin - Metabolites
• Sadam Ali - Cathine
• Julio Cesar Chavez Jr - Diuretics

Two, “Wilder was weak and was out of sorts”, and in that context, Amir Khan, Roy Jones, PAC, Kovalev, Lennox, Oscar, Tito, Hatton, Ortiz etc were all “out of sorts” when they got KO’d. Trust me on that. I know boxing too well. These guys were out of sorts.

Three and in the context of all the “excuses”you listed, the first thing Wilder claimed after being brutalized like a pińata was the 40Ibs outfit weakened him.
He then moved in to spiked water, then loaded gloves, then accused Wilder of cheating, then accused his co-trainer of being a traitor who betrayed him. A myriad of hodge-podge nonsense that Wilder fans have come to embrace and propagate.

So, Fury beat Klitchkov and then ducked him and he beats Wilder and then ducks him. A farrago of lies, misrepresentations, lies, misinterpretation and outright hostility directed towards a guy who beat your knockout artist.
I bet I can pull dozens of fighters punching an opponent with an open punch and you’d claim their gloves were loaded.

The beauty of it all is, come October, you and all the other Wilder propaganda mouthpieces will disappear, like a smelly fart in the wind.

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