What actually qualifies as a journeyman - and is a journeyman a bad thing?

[Run]

I'm always surprised to see Glen Johnson labelled as a journeyman. True, he isn't the most stylish or talented of fighters, but he's always intended to reach the top, a feat which he has now achieved.

Leave Glen alone. He has to wake up for work. And that reminds me, you know his number? I need my pool cleaned.



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[aand]

> So Holyfield is now a journeyman?

He thought he is still great and can come back to glory so he was not a journeyman yet. I think that now he is done and if he decide to continue fighting then he become one from the next fight.

[warped]

> Journeyman = a qualified craftsman who works for an employer.
> But my understanding of a boxing journeyman is a guy
> who gets his fair share of defeat.

Boxer become a journeyman when he start loosing fights and won't retire.
Box is a sport, he can win some times but he never will be one of the best. For him boxing is no longer a way to glory it is a proffesion to earn a little of money.

I tend to agree with this post. I'd always assumed a journeyman was someone who was more or less a gatekeeper to a division that you had to get past before you're really taken seriously.

Hassine Cherifi, anyone?

[boxernyc]

In my opinion a journeyman is someone who is a fairly talented boxer who only had enough skill (or was not properly managed) to get to contender status but couldn't make the jump to champ. Lovemore N'dou is a guy almost everyone will agree is a journeyman. He is a tough fighter who is not someone a prospect on his way up could just roll over. A journeyman is usually the guy who is a prospect's first real test. Bojado found that out when he got beat by JJ Leija. And Cotto found that out when he got by Lovemore but not before we found out that Cotto needs to keep his left hand up in the clinch.