Pacquiao-Cotto: Manny's Weight Shows Size Difference

[rao007]

Id have to go and view the tape again but it was definitely said through the telecast and for sure Floyd said you saw a WW beat a MW but did he state 100% that he weighed 148 , to be fair to you I couldnt say for sure he said it I believe that he did but we see a lot of tapes and interviews and I could be mistaken , but in doubting myself I went and looked at his weigh-in photos and he was very full and fluid looking while in the fight he was more cut .

Either way you look at it he gave Oscar a lot of weight on top the fact he was as bulked as he could be making it a double whammy , Floyds a little guy .

You'r right he said 148. It seems he shed 2lbs more before the fight.

[prsi]

Technically, he has to bulk up 17 pounds more, he made weight at 130 didn't he? I got what you saying but the issue here is he insinuated that Pacman drains his opponents, which you and I know isn't true...

I still dont agree with the statement of bulk up 17 lbs when come fight night the majority of the lbs were already there naturally not bulked up. Last fights at 130 fight night was 139 and against Diaz at 135, fight night he was at 142-143 so there was no bulking up because at the moment of his fights the weight was already there naturally with no efforts or bulking up
True he made the the required weight limits at 130 but struggling so he was actually doing an extra effort to make the 130 than doing the 142 that he made for the DLH fight. Even Roach admitted that 140 is his best weight.

I do however agree on you point about Pacman "draining fighters" insinuations. It was DLH fault and mistake on the weight for Pacman's fight. He was quoted almost 3 weeks before the fight saying that he was already at 147 which gives me an indication that he overtrained for the fight and starved more than he should have. A good training is when you get close to the weight as close as possible to the fight night (not sooner unless you are moving up) and then monitor that weight in a way that just be skipping breakfast the day of weigh in, you have the weight desired. But DLH was to low to soon for the Pacman fight and him and his corner are the ones to blame for that.

Cotto at 145 will not be weight drain so if he loses you wont hear any excuses from my side

[RodBarker]

You'r right he said 148. It seems he shed 2lbs more before the fight.

If you look he had a can at the weigh-in I dont think he was worried about weight at all , on fight night he would have been completely empty loosing the 2 pounds , people should realize just how small Floyd is when they want him to fight big WWs , I take my hate of to Manny for his crack at Cotto .

[prsi]

Cotto could "cut" and lose some fat instead of muscle. It's not like he's all that built, muscle wise anyways. Just have a healthy diet of more protein and less carbs.
A good big man, will always beat a great little man.

Wrong, Cotto has fought bigger man in his own division and the last example was Clottey. Cotto has never made 160 or above fight night and Clottey since 2 years ago against Corrales he has been coming in on fight night at 170 or above giving hima 10+ weight advantage against Cotto and in this case the "little man" won. Like that there have been lots of cases.

The playing field is leveled because true Cotto will have a advantage in weight and power come fight night, but Pacman will have advantage in speed, movement, stamina, some say skills, better corner and home court advantage.

It will come down to who can control the advantage of the other boxer while imposing it own. Not who is heavier or lighter. Note that I do not use "big" or "little" because in terms of height and reach they are almost the same.

[RodBarker]

I still dont agree with the statement of bulk up 17 lbs when come fight night the majority of the lbs were already there naturally not bulked up. Last fights at 130 fight night was 139 and against Diaz at 135, fight night he was at 142-143 so there was no bulking up because at the moment of his fights the weight was already there naturally with no efforts or bulking up
True he made the the required weight limits at 130 but struggling so he was actually doing an extra effort to make the 130 than doing the 142 that he made for the DLH fight. Even Roach admitted that 140 is his best weight.

I do however agree on you point about Pacman "draining fighters" insinuations. It was DLH fault and mistake on the weight for Pacman's fight. He was quoted almost 3 weeks before the fight saying that he was already at 147 which gives me an indication that he overtrained for the fight and starved more than he should have. A good training is when you get close to the weight as close as possible to the fight night (not sooner unless you are moving up) and then monitor that weight in a way that just be skipping breakfast the day of weigh in, you have the weight desired. But DLH was to low to soon for the Pacman fight and him and his corner are the ones to blame for that.

Cotto at 145 will not be weight drain so if he loses you wont hear any excuses from my side

Your right its not bulking up its manipulating water bulking up is building muscle , some guys can shed a lot of water some cant Manny is a guy that can shed water so is Williams Margo even Cotto when he was making 140 , with Oscar he stuffed it up by training so low which meant he had no substance to rehydrate back too like he normally does ,,,, the fight with Floyd is a hint that Oscar is a guy that cant shed a lot of water thats why he only went up 6 lbs from 154 and that also explains why he trained at such a low weight for Manny , because he had to be close to the weigh-in weight , I think it was calculated risk by Oscar to make 147 and he and his team were wrong in the way they went about it and it hurt him , I would have thought he would have trained at his normal weight and dried out the extra but it seems he cant dry out too much .

[rao007]

If you look he had a can at the weigh-in I dont think he was worried about weight at all , on fight night he would have been completely empty loosing the 2 pounds , people should realize just how small Floyd is when they want him to fight big WWs , I take my hate of to Manny for his crack at Cotto .

Floyd: "I weighed 150 yesterday, came into the fight weighing 148."


It seems he did fine losing the 2lbs.

[RodBarker]

Floyd: "I weighed 150 yesterday, came into the fight weighing 148."


It seems he did fine losing the 2lbs.

Only because he had plenty to lose , Floyd dont dry out to make weight , if he wanted to I agree with Roach when he said Floyd could make 140 and I reckon that would be his ideal division , I think if he fights Manny it will be at 140 , if Cotto wins I think he will fight Cotto at 147 , that is so long as he beats JMM and thats not a given at all JMM will be at his careers best and very hungry .

[prsi]

Your right its not bulking up its manipulating water bulking up is building muscle , some guys can shed a lot of water some cant Manny is a guy that can shed water so is Williams Margo even Cotto when he was making 140 , with Oscar he stuffed it up by training so low which meant he had no substance to rehydrate back too like he normally does ,,,, the fight with Floyd is a hint that Oscar is a guy that cant shed a lot of water thats why he only went up 6 lbs from 154 and that also explains why he trained at such a low weight for Manny , because he had to be close to the weigh-in weight , I think it was calculated risk by Oscar to make 147 and he and his team were wrong in the way they went about it and it hurt him , I would have thought he would have trained at his normal weight and dried out the extra but it seems he cant dry out too much .

We both agree,
And I must add that for Pacquaio it would be easier to make the 145 mark because he now can train with out having a really restricted or rigurous diet like he would have trying to make 135 or 140, but boxers would always preferr to fight at lower weights than their normal because of the weight advantage their oponents will have come fight night, in this case Cotto.

[prsi]

nobody was forcing anybody here in this fight, cotto wants more money thats it, dont make cotto a martyr like he is standing up for some biger cause, he just wants more money, now did u hear cotto complaining about the belt on the line? NO. because he got more money.

The title was not even in the verbal agreement between both fighters and it was not going to be on the line, it only came up when Francisco Varcarcel (WBO President) brought it up in order to cash in on the fight, from there they started to force Cotto to put the title on the line. And yes we all heard Cotto complaining because the title was demanded to be on the line and as a matter of fact he even said he would vacate until he got bought by Arum. On that my friend i do agree with you he got more money and then stopped complaining.

But like i said this is water under the bridge and there's no sense on continuing to discuss this any more.

[Legendary Statu]

Listen i don't want to hear any excuses when pac gets KTFO. ok Freddie Roach is scared because he knows that Manny's playing with fire and come Nov.14th he's gonna get torched you watch