Comments Thread For: Judging The Judges: Jermell Charlo-Brian Castano Scorecard Analysis

[Afi23]

Weisfeld and Cheatham had decent enough cards. It was a close fight IMO. I had it 7-5 and could see a few rounds go one way or the other so an 8-4 or 6-6 is within reason. I do wonder if Weisfeld would have awarded a 10-8 if the roles were reversed. It's a sad state of affairs that we come to accept that the "B-side" will not get the benefit of the doubt.

I won't even touch the Nelson Vasquez card. Dude is straight trash.

It's not just the main event, on the undercard Aleem lost a majority decision when two judges only gave him 3 rounds in a fight I thought Aleem either eked out or did no worse than a draw.

Weisfeld scoring that 10th rd as 10-8 is rough. Castano was not THAT hurt!

That kind of judging puts the B-side in a position where he almost have to take unnecessary chances: in a rematch, Castano will most like have to stay longer in the pocket to clearly win rounds.

[DeeMoney]

I don't think this was corruption as much as it was a result of the ambiguity of the rules for scoring a fight. Specifically, you tend to see judges default their score against fighters who throw/land significantly more punches; look no further than the Vidal Aleem fight earlier on the card.

Some judges by nature will see a more active fighter (Boxer A) and assume that since he is throwing more punches the other fighter (Boxer B) must be throwing the harder/better punches. And along those lines they will disproportionately weigh in favor punches landed by Boxer B, justifying it along the lines of 'Clean Punches' and 'Effective Aggression'. Boxer B could land significantly less, and with less accumulative damage, but psychologically the judge feels they are being more effective (just by doing less) and scores the round for them.

This happens, sometimes to the point where Boxer B landing one or two punches get them the round despite Boxer A landing more quality punches; but since Boxer A landed so much they drown out their quality work in the eyes of the judges.

[Lefty0616]

I scored this very close fight a draw. Charlo was actually behind on my scorecard early. He rallied to tie it late. While he hurt Castano more than it appeared that Charlo was hurt, the winner goes to the fighter that wins the most rounds. I had them each winning 6 rounds. Charlo probably needs a better trainer. He said that he believes in his trainer, but he needs to find a new trainer to believe in. Charlo's game is flawed. It seems that solid boxing skills and power got him this far, but to be truly great he needs an experienced trainer to help get him to greatness.....or else he will struggle against elite competition which he still hasn't really faced. Charlo needs to work on his defense; he stands right in front of his opponent. He fights a very defensive fight (but yet, gets hit flush in the face often), and counters way to much....when he should try to force the issue. He seems hesitant to throw complete punches; he pulls back on a lot of punches until he hurts his opponent. He seemed to have no poise in huge exchanges with Castano; he seemed to be a nervous fighter. He also seems to go through the motions; he doesn't know how to win rounds; Castano stole a couple of rounds. Castano is a solid fighter, and he has a belt, but he didn't seem to be an elite fighter to me (and if I'm being honest, this was the first time I saw Castano fight). If Charlo can struggle against a CastanoER it's hard to believe that he'll be able to beat the top fighters that he has called out on occasion.

[Oregonian]

A terrific clash between Jermell Charlo and Brian Castano proved befitting the high stakes with the two best junior middleweights fighting to a split decision draw in their terrific twelve-round battle.
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American boxers like to say that they will NOT travel overseas because of unfair judges.
This is not the first time a foreigner comes to the US only to get robbed.

It has happened many times.
Felix Sturm from Germany got robbed of his win over Oscar.
Erislandy Lara got robbed vs Paul Williams
Lennox Lewis got robbed vs Holyfield

It’s ridiculous in general but even worse when it’s a foreigner that comes to our shores only to be cheated by inept or corrupt judges!

[steeve steel]

You don't score a round 10-8 if the fighter doesn't go down. Horrible judging. That point cost Castano the win he deserved.

[wileyhemi]

You don't score a round 10-8 if the fighter doesn't go down. Horrible judging. That point cost Castano the win he deserved.

Weisfeld scored the fight for Castano so his 10-8 score didn't affect the outcome

[Lefty0616]

Weisfeld scoring that 10th rd as 10-8 is rough. Castano was not THAT hurt!

That kind of judging puts the B-side in a position where he almost have to take unnecessary chances: in a rematch, Castano will most like have to stay longer in the pocket to clearly win rounds.

There were no 10-8 rounds in this fight. Any judge that scored any round 10-8 should be investigated or fired.

[Lefty0616]

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American boxers like to say that they will NOT travel overseas because of unfair judges.
This is not the first time a foreigner comes to the US only to get robbed.

It has happened many times.
Felix Sturm from Germany got robbed of his win over Oscar.
Erislandy Lara got robbed vs Paul Williams
Lennox Lewis got robbed vs Holyfield

It’s ridiculous in general but even worse when it’s a foreigner that comes to our shores only to be cheated by inept or corrupt judges!

I do not believe a case can be made that either fighter won so overwhelmingly that there can be claims that a fighter was robbed. I scored the fight a draw.....and it could've gone either way. Both fighters seems very flawed. Any top tier fighter in the division can fight both of these fighters back-to-back and become undisputed champion.

[steeve steel]

Weisfeld scored the fight for Castano so his 10-8 score didn't affect the outcome

Ah yes. My bad.. thought it was Cheatham. So pissed at the result, I'm not seeing right.

[Oregonian]

I do not believe a case can be made that either fighter won so overwhelmingly that there can be claims that a fighter was robbed. I scored the fight a draw.....and it could've gone either way. Both fighters seems very flawed. Any top tier fighter in the division can fight both of these fighters back-to-back and become undisputed champion.

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I didn’t watch the fight, I just read what most reports are saying but I’ll take your word for it and watch it over the weekend.