Comments Thread For: Pacquiao: I Decided To Pick Spence Because I Wanted To Give Good Fight To The Fans

[FLY TY]

The 40 mill he wanted was a guaranteed purse, then the extras, Spence is 5 mill guaranteed then the extras, Ive been involved and followed the sport for over 50 yrs Im not talking about the PPV cut Im talking guaranteed purses.

Pacquiao’s guaranteed purse, BusinessMirror learned, is $5 million, a measly sum compared to what he banked during his prime some five to 10 years ago but looked ideal during the pandemic.
https://businessmirror.com.ph/2021/0...nce-in-august/

There was no 40 plus extras for a Crawford fight. Show me that, and I'll digress. He did say he wanted 40 million though.

The reason he wanted guaranteed money for Crawford is probably because, as Arum stated, Crawford isn't a draw, and Manny didn't want to risk his earnings on ppv.

Again, he earned 20 million for a broner ppv that did 400k, and 30 for a keith ppv that did 500k. Clearly they expect the Spence fight to do more, and clearly he'll make a lot more than his 5 million guarantee once all the numbers come in.

I highly doubt Bob Arum, as frugal as he is, would guarantee Paquiao 40 million, plus a ppv percentage. And then he'd still have to pay Crawford.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Who did Postol beat...? Names absolutely matter. Especially when given context to everything.

Postol beat Matthysse who was also ranked #1 when Postol knocked him out.

Names don’t represent context whatsoever, it’s actually the opposite.

I’ll give you an example, Fury and AJ both beat Klitschko so that’s the same name.

Lets put that in context:

Fury beat the reigning unified Lineal Heavyweight Champion, undefeated in 10 years, making his 19th defence, in Germany.

AJ beat a now unranked 41 yr old, coming off a loss, hadn’t even won a fight in 2 years, inactive for 18 months, in England.

That’s applying context, not looking at name value.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Lets see. (Let’s say top 10 for a little breathing room) Mikey Garcia, never beat a top 10 welter. Danny Garcia never beat a top 10 welter. Shawn Porter, beat Ugas & Danny, neither of which has ever beaten a top 10 welter, besides that, Devon Alexander in 2013? Kell Brook, never beat a top 10 welter except Porter, and basically a non-existent resume besides Shawn to be honest. And haterz like to cite “eye-test doe” with Crawford…

Damn, atleast the Hornet had a win over a legit and established welter, albeit arguable.

This is largely my point. People hold Crawford to a higher standard than other fighters.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

————
Ha! Ha! So out of more than 10 listed facts,

Facts? You were 5 years out.

If you’re gonna post nonsense, at least make it factually accurate.

[Richard G]

This makes no sense as Pacquaio is comfortably better than any fighter Crawford has ever fought.

Crawford fought Horn and was able to KO him which was more than old hold 'n hit Packy could do.

hornPac.jpg

[Ropeydope]

Spence has been mentioning Crawford all throughout.

Let me tell you step by step what has been happening since the accident.

After the accident, Bud said he don't wanna be Spence's first fight after the accident because he doesn't wana hear no accident excuses after he beats him, so the fight was never gonna happen inmediately after the accident anyway.

A lot of Spence fans and Bud haters hatped on Bud for being a duck when he said this, personally I thought they were being irrational and I agreed woĺly with Bud's sentiment.

Spence on the other hand was asked on the Brian Custer podcast interview who his next three fights would be if it were up to him and Spence replied:

"My next three fights would be Danny Garcia because he is my mandatory and I'm already signed to fight him anyway, then Manny Pacquiao for the WBA belt, and Terence Crawford for undisputed, in that order."

This was before Manny was stripped og his title so it made sense because Spence, from the start, has been talking about cleaning out his side of the street and then fighting Crawford. Taking the WBA from Manny would have meant that his side of the street was clean because he would have all the pbc belts (WBA, IBF, and WBC), which would mean that it was time to cross the street like he said he would after cleaning his side. So Spence's response was consistent to what he has said from the start, from before he even beat Brook.

Anyway, Spence was asked that question three more times in different interviews and his answer was exactly the same.

I think Bud was also asked that question and by Brian Custer, in fact he was but I don't remember his answer, though I think he did mention Spence after Manny Pacquiao, not sure though.

Anyway some time later after that, Bud had a mood swing. He said he was done chasing Spence and that he didn't need Spence to solidify his legacy and even said that Spence and "his little career" is irrelevant.

This was like a week before Spence vs Danny Garcia.

This seems to have pissed off Spence because after this Spence refused to entertain any Bud Crawford questions especially after the Danny Garcia fight.

I remember they asked him what he thought of Bud coming over to watch his fight and Spence said he didn't know why Bud was there nor did he care.

Spence continued to ignore all Bud Crawford questions after this and when he did entertain them, it was only to troll Bud with 80-20 and 70-30 splits.

I believe this ignoring him and trolling him with those splits was a way for Spence to show Bud who really is the irrelevant one between them, which it kinda worked because Bud began crying and comolaining again about Spence pricing himsekf out and what not (which shouldn't have mattered if he meant what he said about not needing Spence and his little career).

Spence seemed to come around again though after the Manny Pacquiao fight was announced. He made a surprise call to the barbershop radio show and answered questions about...well, everything really. He was pretty candid and open about all the topics that were breached, including Bud.

His answer when they asked about Bud was that he told Haymon he wants him to make the Bud fight after Manny. He also said he gonna call the other side of the street and find out what they talking about and if they aint talking about nothing then he gonna move up to 154lbs. I think before that he had also released a tweet saying that "we gonna find out who really ducking who once I get that WBA Belt".

Now, I believe Spence meant every word he said in the Barbershop interview and in the tweet, but here's the problem. At the time, everyone, including Spence, thought that Manny was going to be reinstated as WBA champ.

However, the WBA recently announced that they were not in fact reinstating Pac and Ugas would remain as champion.

This complicates things because Spence seemed intent on having all the other belts going into the Bud Crawford fight.

I also believe that this was a Haymon chess move to counter Spence's demand that he make the Bud Crawford fight next or Spence moves up.

It was seemingly public knowledge that Pac was to be reinstated and then all of a sudden the WBA changed their mind?

Seems fishy to me. I think Spence tried to checkmate Haymon but Haymon is playing GO or some other game.

I also think that Haymon is about to announce Ugas vs Thurman and is going to try and force Spence to fight the winner (likely to be Thurman).

Remember Spence has declared that he won't fight Thurman under any circumstances, but Thurman is one of Haymon's favorite sons, in fact, Haymon tried to push Thurman as the face of pbc while he had Spence going overseas to fight Brook. I think Spence felt a type of way about that especially because Haymon allowed Thurman to duck him while he had Thurman get the Porters, Danny's, and Pacman's of the world, which is why Spence refuses to give Thurman a chance now that Thurman is the one in obscurity.

Haymon gonna announce Thurman vs Ugas though, watch and see. Thurman gonna win (even if by robbery) and Spence gonna have to fight Haymon's favorite son if he wants to be undisputed.

Wow, that’s a lot of words, but still doesn’t answer who is Bud ducking? I remember him saying he doesn’t need Spence for his legacy on a podcast, and it was in response to Spence’s 70-30 trolling.
Your take really makes PBC seem like a disfunctional family and Spence a petulant child.

[Bronx2245]

If PBC won the purse bid, they got Crawford on PBC and they control the event and can split the income of the event 50/50 or in Porter’s favor. If the deal was that bad Porter wouldn’t have been all “I’m gonna activate my mandatory” until they got in his ear. Or PBC must be even are cheaper than Arum.

Truth is it’s just another play. Listen to Porter talk “I’ve been told not to” “I’m now watching and waiting” and the comments of expecting Crawford to come to PBC soon. It’s a play to catch Crawford. The freeze out game on full display.

If Arum wanted Pacquiao, he would've made it! If Arum wanted Vergil Ortiz Jr., he would've made it! If Arum wanted Shawn Porter, he would've made it! Arum wants Bud vs. Taylor @ 147! So Bud is going to fight Zepeda, and then Josh Taylor in the UK! That has always been the plan!

[Bronx2245]

Spence/Boots and Thurman/Spence situations are not similar AT ALL!!!

When Spence first called out Thurman, Thurman was not even a world champion, all he had was being Floyd Mayweather's mandatory for Mayweather's WBA super belt, like Ugas was for Manny before Manny got stripped.

They both hadn't done jack and were contenders.

Mayweather offered to relinquish one of his belt to let Spence and Thurman fight for it, and promised to fight the winner.

Spence agreed, and Thurman threw out a mountain of excuses as usual.

End of story.

I'm just looking at the BIG picture! Spence got frozen out, Boots is being frozen out! Spence knows that man is ready! If he wants to prove something to me, fight Boots! F--K Bud! Boots is easier to make! If not Boots, then give Vergil a shot! I'm tired of talking about Bud! Let him fight Zepeda and Taylor, and go his own way! Give that last fight @147 to a YG! Do unto to them, what Manny is doing for you!

[Bronx2245]

I think the big difference is Danny didn’t dominate like Crawford did at the lower weights. He arguably lost to Herrera for example. I do understand your point though, Crawford definitely needs a statement win at 147. His only notable wins in terms of ratings are Horn (#8) and Kavaliauskas (#10) and even they are nothing special in all honesty.

Danny beat Khan and Matthysse @ 140, and not the version that Crawford and Manny fought! I think that was better than Postol and Indongo! However, at 147, he was real average! Who knows what Bud is at 147! The only thing that makes Bud better, is the "eye test!" We assume he's better, but we don't really know!

[SplitSecond]

If Arum wanted Pacquiao, he would've made it! If Arum wanted Vergil Ortiz Jr., he would've made it! If Arum wanted Shawn Porter, he would've made it! Arum wants Bud vs. Taylor @ 147! So Bud is going to fight Zepeda, and then Josh Taylor in the UK! That has always been the plan!

How full of sht can you be? If Arum wanted Ortiz he would’ve gotten it? Fool, Ortiz’ people don’t want that fight yet. They are still grooming Ortiz.

I’ll tell you what though. As per GBP: PBC guys don’t want to fight Ortiz. So it’s not a Crawford or Arum problem. Same thing Happening at middleweight and with Tank. Stop lying.