say what you want about wilder...

[Pac=Duran]

Do all boxers fake mental illness? Do they avoid the best and fight bums instead? Do they all kiss men in the ring? Can you answer these questions?

Beyonce has been filmed twerking like 6 times lol

Only a few weeks and it'll all be over thank God

[Curt Henning]

Don't talk about facts and reality unless you are willing to accept ALL of the facts and the WHOLE reality of the situation. Otherwise, your argument just isn't worthy of serious discussion.

AJ vs Fury would be happening next if Fury hadn't been forced to fight Wilder yet again by a court ruling. That is a FACT. You can't just ignore it if you want your argument to be taken seriously.

While the court case was happening, Wilder himself stated that he had been offered more money to fight AJ than he got for fighting Fury. That is another FACT. Deal with or stop talking about facts and reality to me.

i did speak facts...the only thing i have to deal with is your blind ******ity...

fact-barry hearn said for aj to avoid wilder for at least a couple of years

fact-wilder was offered money to fight AJ after had avoided him several times

fact-the offer wasnt a straight away deal and AJ would have still fought ruiz and then had to fight him again because the deal wasnt for a straight away fight

fact-AJ said "show me 50 mil and we can fight"...he was shown 50 mil then said "i wont sell my soul for 50 million"

fact-aj wilder and fury are considered the top 3 HWs or at least had been for the previous few years....wilder and fury are about to fight for a 3rd time while AJ has fought neither of them

fact-hearn knew the whole time that fury could be forced to fight wilder....hearn wasnt born yesterday....he knew it was possible his "fight" would fall through....very possible...in fact if i had to bet id say hearn was quite sure of it and was stringing dummies like you along the whole time..

fact-AJ got embarrased by ruiz and then had to get a big ring and run all night to avenge the embarrassment from a guy that is maybe a top 10 HW on a good day....

these are all facts

[Apollo7]

This is what gets me too. I feel Wilder was full of **** after he lost but he's been pretty open about getting into the ring of mutually beneficial terms and ******** everything. My issue with Joshua is the weird underhanded excuses done for him. Suddenly the fight is in Saudi, suddenly its a massive ring, suddenly it turns out he had a "panic attack". Joshua just seems to me like the guy whose easy to like because he, fundamentally, has no influence over boxing. In twenty years time he'll likely just end up being someone everyone resents because he was ultimately controlled like a puppet by Hearn.

Wilder is in many ways a tosser but he earned his place. He got onto the Olympic team, got a bronze medal indicative of the fact that he wasn't close to the best in the field and then earned his way fighting in halls. He apparently worked for budweiser and red lobster. A genuinely humble upbringing. Joshua largely had his career stage managed from 2010 and still managed to **** it up by getting caught with weed. His Olympic gold came via two very hokey home town decisions. It just feels like he's been chosen rather than really earned his place. One or the Mayweathers commented on it too.

For me Wilder represents black excellence. The truly earned kind. Joshua represents the kind of image of a black man white people approve and tolerate. He will never have a fan in me provided that's the case.

A lot of Joshua fans don't have particularly high opinions of black people...so why should I approve of that?? Because he's "one of the good blacks"?? **** outta here.

So you refuse to like Joshua because:

1. He has a promoter who does his best for him.

2. Tries to behave in a respectable way and be a positive role model.

3. Made a bad decision in his youth (the weed)

4. Other people (Olympic judges) gave him decision wins that you don't agree with.

5. You assume other people (his fans) don't have a high opinion of black people.

People can like who they want but it seems a bit harsh to critisize him for those things imo.

[Curt Henning]

So you refuse to like Joshua because:

1. He has a promoter who does his best for him.

2. Tries to behave in a respectable way and be a positive role model.

3. Made a bad decision in his youth (the weed)

4. Other people (Olympic judges) gave him decision wins that you don't agree with.

5. You assume other people (his fans) don't have a high opinion of black people.

People can like who they want but it seems a bit harsh to critisize him for those things imo.

joshua himself seems like a somewhat likable guy....his fans can be insufferable...like alot of the euro fans on forums behind a keyboard...ive been to big fights with tons of brits...they are actually fun and cool in person...but the ones on boxing forums get comfy and tough behind that keyboard

[Apollo7]

joshua himself seems like a somewhat likable guy....his fans can be insufferable...like alot of the euro fans on forums behind a keyboard...ive been to big fights with tons of brits...they are actually fun and cool in person...but the ones on boxing forums get comfy and tough behind that keyboard

True but the same can be said about fans of most fighters imo. Some fans get too emotionally invested and the internet is full of trolls.

[Citizen Koba]

I actually rather like Wilder, always thought he was a KO in waiting, but time after time he found the stoppage himself instead. Always gonna be some intrigue in fights where a guy carries that kinda one punch power. Still reckon he beats most of the heavyweight top 10 too, but I don't reckon he did himself any favours with all the daft excuses for his L and I doubt he's got much realistic chance in the Fury trilogy, maybe a 10% chance at the Hail Mary and even that largely dependent on Fury getting careless or sloppy.

[siablo14]

hes still dangerous and has nothing left to lose

ive been a wilder fan and still am...im not trying to access his "mential well being" or psyche or any of that...im a fan of him in the ring even if hes limited...i have no excuses...he got this sheet pushed in big time last time out

but best believe hes dangerous and fury knows it and takes it serious...thats why fury fought the way he did last time out because he wanted to take wilder out of his element and not let him have time to think and do what he does....i believe team wilder has no choice but to come up with a plan to combat that if fury pursues the same avenue....

the brittards can talk all the want(which is funny beacuse fury doesnt even like you)...but at least when wilder got beat up it was by the unbeaten man that dethroed wlad...not some tubby 25-1 underdog with short arms and slow feet

fury knows wilder is dangerous and takes him seriously...you should too.....maybe fury wins again...maybe he wins in dominate fashion again....thats fine...i have nothing against fury...hes good and hes good for the sport...hes fun....

You just said a bunch of nothing.

[siablo14]

I actually rather like Wilder, always thought he was a KO in waiting, but time after time he found the stoppage himself instead. Still reckon he beats most of the heavyweight top 10 too, but I don't reckon he did himself any favours with all the daft excuses for his L and I doubt he's got much realistic chance in the Fury trilogy, maybe a 10% chance at the Hail Mary and even that largely dependent on Fury getting careless or sloppy.

The sad thing is he will probably retire or take a long lay off after this loss.

I'd loved to see him againt Ruiz, Usyk and Whyte before he goes.

America has no heavy again.

[Curt Henning]

The sad thing is he will probably retire or take a long lay off after this loss.

I'd loved to see him againt Ruiz, Usyk and Whyte before he goes.

America has no heavy again.

thats because real american athletes over 6-3 and over play other sports...guys riding the bench playing 15-20 minutes a night in the NBA make 15 mil a year.....the bosa brothers are already rich as heck and theyll see another big contract if they remain somewhat healthy.....you dumb euros dont understand the landscape of american sports.....its a struggle for american born fighters to make it and make a ton of money in the sport.....meanwhile 22 year old kids are minted with 50 million dollar deals ....american HWs are failed athletes in americas top sports....you guys hear that gerald washington and seth mitchell played "football" and think you are seeing some of americas best offerings...those guys couldnt cut it at the pro level so they tried boxing to make some bread....

[siablo14]

thats because real american athletes over 6-3 and over play other sports...guys riding the bench playing 15-20 minutes a night in the NBA make 15 mil a year.....the bosa brothers are already rich as heck and theyll see another big contract if they remain somewhat healthy.....you dumb euros dont understand the landscape of american sports.....its a struggle for american born fighters to make it and make a ton of money in the sport.....meanwhile 22 year old kids are minted with 50 million dollar deals ....american HWs are failed athletes in americas top sports....you guys hear that gerald washington and seth mitchell played "football" and think you are seeing some of americas best offerings...those guys couldnt cut it at the pro level so they tried boxing to make some bread....

Not one, Sir. Not one. So Americans dominate WW because all the good Euros are playing football?