Comments Thread For: Daily Bread Mailbag: Mayweather, Pacquiao, Fury-Wilder, Broner, More

[aboutfkntime]

Can you think of any other fight where a guy in his 40s beat an undefeated top 3-5 p4p guy in his prime? I can’t. But it’s a moot point because pac isn’t winning this fight. He’s getting beat down.

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Hopkins beat Tarver when he was 41yo

and he jumped TWO divisions to achieve that feat

Foreman beat Moorer when he was 46... and there definitely are other similar stories

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the landscape is totally different now... meaning that, too much emphasis is being placed on age

back in the day, boxing was MUCH harder, so fighters aged differently... my rule is, and will always be... if it did not happen back in the days of John L Sullivan (think, multiple ABC titles/17 divisions/etc/etc), then it cannot be regarded as genuine criteria for greatness, it is just a pointer... it was much harder to make good money as a professional in the past, a lot of fighters had to supplement their boxing income with a job... some fighters back in the day had 200+ fights... some fought every two weeks... and 15 round fights are way tougher physically and mentally

judging simply by age... is not a accurate, or possibly even honest, way to assess the height of that achievement

it would be a huge win if Pac could beat Spence... and you are definitely right in that, the win would be viewed as-if Leonard beat Norris, or Ali beat Holmes... but folks are too eager to throw around way too many big adjectives these days

Pac is a dog just for taking that fight








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[Nash out]

I wonder if there's ever a time again when we have a mailbag without the mention of Wilder and his excuses! There's a whole new batch of excuses coming in late July, so that'll keep these coming for another year and a half at least.

[Jab jab boom]

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Hopkins beat Tarver when he was 41yo

and he jumped TWO divisions to achieve that feat

Foreman beat Moorer when he was 46... and there definitely are other similar stories

also...

the landscape is totally different now... meaning that, too much emphasis is being placed on age

back in the day, boxing was MUCH harder, so fighters aged differently... my rule is, and will always be... if it did not happen back in the days of John L Sullivan (think, multiple ABC titles/17 divisions/etc/etc), then it cannot be regarded as genuine criteria for greatness, it is just a pointer... it was much harder to make good money as a professional in the past, a lot of fighters had to supplement their boxing income with a job... some fighters back in the day had 200+ fights... some fought every two weeks... and 15 round fights are way tougher physically and mentally

judging simply by age... is not a accurate, or possibly even honest, way to assess the height of that achievement

it would be a huge win if Pac could beat Spence... and you are definitely right in that, the win would be viewed as-if Leonard beat Norris, or Ali beat Holmes... but folks are too eager to throw around way too many big adjectives these days

Pac is a dog just for taking that fight








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those were two good examples. Moore definitely wasn’t considered a top 5 p4p guy although he was an undefeated heavyweight champion. Hopkins beating tarver was impressive but I also don’t think tarver was considered a top 5 p4p guy despite beating the consensus #1 in Roy Jones because he did lose to Glenn Johnson just a couple of fights before that. I could be wrong about that though. What would also make pacs win more impressive is at his age, he hasn’t fought in 2 yrs. but as I said, I don’t think he has a shot in hell.

[aboutfkntime]

those were two good examples. Moore definitely wasn’t considered a top 5 p4p guy although he was an undefeated heavyweight champion. Hopkins beating tarver was impressive but I also don’t think tarver was considered a top 5 p4p guy despite beating the consensus #1 in Roy Jones because he did lose to Glenn Johnson just a couple of fights before that. I could be wrong about that though. What would also make pacs win more impressive is at his age, he hasn’t fought in 2 yrs. but as I said, I don’t think he has a shot in hell.

another good point

then again... Leonard had 3-4 years off before fighting Hagler/Hearns/Duran/etc








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[sargo]

"If Spence fights and beats Pacquiao and then he fights Crawford no one can complain. Let’s see what he does…..I agree that Spence has never seen anyone like Pacman. But I also think that Pac has never seen anyone like Spence. Mayweather is not a southpaw. Oscar isn’t either. Neither is Cotto. And neither is Mosley. Those are the best fighters Manny has fought at welterweight. Spence may not be the BEST fighter Manny has fought. But his size and length are different than anything Manny has ever faced. I also think Spence may be the most physically strong fighter Manny has faced since Joshua Clottey or Antonio Margarito. Manny was about 31 or 32 when he fought them. Spence is DOG strong. To have to deal with that at 42 is different. If Manny wins this fight, it will arguably be the best win in boxing history. He has massive length, age and physical strength to overcome. It would be the equivalent of Floyd Mayweather beating Jermall Charlo for his title at 160lbs. It sounds really hard doesn’t it?"

[Jab jab boom]

another good point

then again... Leonard had 3-4 years off before fighting Hagler/Hearns/Duran/etc








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Leonard wasn’t 40 plus for those fights but yes, the 3 year layoff he had and then coming back to beat hagler is probably more impressive than if pac were to miraculously pull this off vs Spence.

[The D3vil]

“At this point it’s not much Wilder can say. He needs to deliver on July 24th. I love the fact that he’s going for the 3rd fight. I don’t know why everyone is upset with him. Let’s see if he can pull it off. At least he’s not shying away from it. He’s running towards a man, who really hurt him bad. Either he’s crazy or he knows something. I’m interested....”


Well said bread, well said. If he had spoken his army of bigoted haters would have thrashed what he said because of his Alabama accent and his lack of vocabulary. Since he was silent, they thrash him for that. The man can’t win with the politically and nationalist driven “fans.” There is a strange energy coming out of the U.K. from the casual type fans, the sweet carolines, regarding wilder. It’s odd, I don’t recall a truly disgusting person like Kovalev getting all this hate. I don’t recall even fury getting this hate after failed drug tests and horrendous comments about gays and ***s which was literally pulled directly from “the Protocols….” Makes you wonder exactly why they hate him so much

They hate Wilder because he was the biggest threat to knock out their beloved hero Anthony Joshua.

They know that prime Joshua ducked prime Wilder because he didn't want the smoke, so they've resorted to being obsessed with denigrating Wilder and trying to dismiss anything that has to do with him.

[hugh grant]

If Pac beats spence it will be the best win of all time, if you add into the fact the fight prior to that Pac beat thurman another candidate for best.
plus when you add it into the rest of Pac s resume and all he's done and what it must've taken from pac, lmargarit o had Pac in bed for 3 days, let's face it spence isn't facing Pac at his best.
When you think Pac has had last great win like champs do, Pac says no I want to top that with another

[Slip jab]

As it pertains to wilder fury3, there's something there why D wants it outside of just revenge, there's eyes everywhere . my write in stirred up a Hornets nest but it's there and Wilder can capitalize even with past limitations. Imagine the layers he'll develop with Scott. Its exciting.. The next great American hw goes by Deontay Wilder.

[Apollo7]

Good read as usual. I especially liked the part about trainers getting close to fighters and involved in their personal lives.