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you're starting with a career lightweight for a mortal human being, one of the greatest ever and with 7 years as champion fighting the best, who went up to 147 lbs. at LW he beat esteban dejesus, kenny buchannan, two of the very best at the weight in the era, and hall of famers.
then he moved up to 147 and beat carlos palomino, pipino cuevas, two hall of famers. next he beat one of the very best welterweights of all time decisively, in ray leonard. from there he'd move up to 160 lbs and 154 lbs, where he was well overweight. fight with hagler was close, crazy to think about when you realize this guy was a lightweight for seven years, and started his career at about 118 lbs. knocked out by hearns at 154 but he wasn't training hard and it's tommy r****ing hearns, one of the best punchers ever and styles make fights.
then he went to middleweight again and knocked iran barkley around the ring. barkley was a giant middleweight with a good chin and power and he had a very good career.
if i had to rank his best wins i would surely put leonard first. then you've got other premium wins that, given the weights in whcih they took place and duran's size, or the timing when he fought prime lightweight hall of famers, are elite. palomino, cuevas, barkley, buchannan, dejesus are wins that fall into this category.
when you look at duran's resume, or anyone else, you have to look at the entire thing and put the wins into context. the man is one of the best lightweights ever. 7 ****ing years a champion. 72-79. you can argue he was the greatest fighter of that decade along with muhammad ali. THEN he starts his "second career" where he moves up, takes huge money fights on the back of his legacy and abilities as a bona fide all time great. he's similar to pacquiao in this regard. you get extra credit for your wins when the guys are naturally 2-3 weight classes bigger than you are. iran barkley had shoulders like a lightheavyweight. ray leonard had success all the way to 160 lbs. marvin hagler was a career middleweight. palomino and cuevas were career welterweights with real power. davey moore had 100 amateur fights with 5 losses, and only missed out on the olympics because he fought donald curry, one of hte best amateurs you will ever see and had 4x as many fights as moore, who started boxing relatively late.
to really appreciate duran's career you'll need to familiarize yourself with two eras and two weight areas. the 70's, where duran was prime and a lightweight and one of the most skilled punchers and life takers you're ever going to see. elite chin, boxing skills, and the best power ever at 135. then you had his next era, where he was a primetime fighter and a household name taking on all comers at advanced weights for a ****load of money. in the 80's he made most of his bones and took on his toughest challenges in spite of his advanced age and a spare tire.
finally, you need to be able to just look at a fighter with unreal skills, chin, and power and real needs to recognize real. watch some highlights. watch some old fights with no sound and really get an appreciation for the combinations and the moves, how hard he was to hit, and what it looked like when he connected with his opponents and they rolled around on the ground or slumped over like they were dead!Comment
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When you make posts like this then it’s easily understandable why he feels this way.
While I feel his point about Durans resume is wrong, his point about judging resumes by the same standard is fair.
Only with Floyd do guys like you make up these ridiculous standards of fighters. Take this post I quoted.
how was Iran Barkley prime when he fought Duran? If this was Floyd you’d point out Barkley had been ko’d by lesser fighters earlier in his career to lessen the win.
Palomino was literally coming off a loss to Benitez had a loss and I think 2 or 3 draws when Duran beat him. A guy with his record, coming off a loss, you would never give Floyd credit for beating someone like that. You’d degrade him as not prime.
So again imo he is wrong about Duran’s resume but he is spot on that clowns like you have completely different standards for Floyd than you so any other ATG.Last edited by The Big Dunn; 06-15-2021, 11:37 AM.Comment
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He’s top 5 all time great fighters and the greatest Hispanic fighter of all time.Comment
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Ray Lampkin didn’t go down in history as an ATG but he sure gave Duran a hell of a fight, inspiring one of his best performances.Comment
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Cmon. Palomino won and defended his belt about 7 or 8 times over a 3 year span. Yeah, he lost to a 20 year old undefeated prime Benitez who already was champ at Jr Welter but it was a SD(1 judge scored it to him, and 2 judges had him losing by only 2 and 3 rounds) and it was only his 2nd loss. Duran had just moved up to Welter so a fight with Palomino, even coming off a loss, was a very credible opponent.
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We agree. Read my post again. My point is when it’s anyone but Floyd , posters like daggum would do exactly what you did here.
if it was Floyd beating palomino daggum would talk about who he lost to before, coming off a loss, he wasn’t prime and any other thing to degrade the win.
That is the point Iman is making and I dont see how people can deny he is right.
Just use the same standards for everyone is what Iman is asking for and I agree 100%Comment
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