I personally would've respected Floyd alot more if....

[fightfan_79]

Your "respect" means nothing, but Marquez is a bigger name than any of those fighters and has fought Pac and given him trouble, setting up that matchup.
If he had fought any of those fighters, it would be considered easier pickins that Marquez.

So if Floyd then under the assumption that whoever Manny was going to fight he would win....yet not knowing that he would be fighting Cotto?

If Manny can't get past Cotto...I believe he will via late round ref stoppage or UD.....then where does that leave Floyd...back up against the wall to fight Cotto? Mosley? Clottey? The public's interest in a Mayweather/ Pacquiao fight will have gone down...albeit a little...but a Cotto/ Mayweather fight would blow that potential match out the water.....

[Lokotron]

He came back to fight any decent Welterweight out there...and wouldn't care if it was on a HBO Main Event card...

Fight Quintana, fight Berto, fight Abregu, fight Brook, fight Collazo, hell even Steve Forbes.......point is, come back after a 2 yr layoff, do a "tune-up" fight to get your **** back, take a 80/20 cut from whatever purse the fight would've been, and wait for the Elite's to sort each other out then step in and make your money again.....

But coming back to fight Marquez, making a reported $15mili while giving Marquez $3-5mili, making him come up to WW, and Floyd being the "stronger, faster, younger etc.." just doesn't do it for me as a fan. Don't get me wrong...I will be watching on Sept. 19th....but at a buddy's expense...

Discuss?

Thats too many average fighters too fight for low money and all floyd has to do is beat Marquez,Pacquiao,Cotto,SSm,and anyone else whos worth fighting.

[COACH WEBB]

No disrespect for the TS or anyone else, BUT when they say I would have respected Floyd if he fought a legit welter, I don't at ALL believe them. The reason I say that is because NO MATTER who he would have fought, you all would have STILL ripped the man to shreds. I see it all the time around here. From day one people have down this fight as pointless and blah blah blah, but if he came back and fought a no named welter or a middle of the pack welter, ya'll would STILL say that he is ducking Cotto and Mosley.

As a FAN OF BOXING (a FAN of Mayweather as well), its good to see him back. I don't knock him for fighting JMM. The reason is because I PERSONALLY FEEL that he is trying to prove a point to Pac by convincingly beating the guy that the vast majority of the boxing community believes beat him. In doing so, the plot for the May-Pac fight get thicker. That is how I PERSONALLY FEEL and I could be wrong. But if Cotto beats Pac, then the May-Cotto fight is HUGE.

So as the HARDCORE fans of the sport of boxing, we are in a good position because we will see some good fights to close out this year and the top of next year.

[fightfan_79]

Sounds like good business to me.

Anyway Floyd's fight against Marquez is actually more difficult that the ones you listed above as he has really good boxing ability which I feel is necessary to beat Floyd. Baldomir an average size Welterweight was schooled by Floyd. Zab Judah gave Floyd some difficulties because of his overall ability.

But yet....if Zab were to fight Pacquiao....ask yourself would Zab give Pac fits because of his ability? 99% of the people you ask that question would tell you that Pacquiao would dominate that fight...and possibly KJTFO (knock Judah the *** out). And that ain't no nuthuggin talkin....

[fightfan_79]

Thats too many average fighters too fight for low money and all floyd has to do is beat Marquez,Pacquiao,Cotto,SSm,and anyone else whos worth fighting.

I guess once you reach a level of Floyd, retire, comeback after 2 yrs a tune-up is not needed.....

Marquez....given Win...if not in dominating fashion...then wasn't even worth fighting....Pacquiao....should've fought 1st...but wanted to go the A-B-C route or do this fight as an "investment"....(see my other response for definition of "investment")

Bottom line....if Floyd does not KO Marquez...which I believe he will, he will lose many more fans....and IF his PPV does not do better than 500K buys...double wammy....

[fightfan_79]

No disrespect for the TS or anyone else, BUT when they say I would have respected Floyd if he fought a legit welter, I don't at ALL believe them. The reason I say that is because NO MATTER who he would have fought, you all would have STILL ripped the man to shreds. I see it all the time around here. From day one people have down this fight as pointless and blah blah blah, but if he came back and fought a no named welter or a middle of the pack welter, ya'll would STILL say that he is ducking Cotto and Mosley.

As a FAN OF BOXING (a FAN of Mayweather as well), its good to see him back. I don't knock him for fighting JMM. The reason is because I PERSONALLY FEEL that he is trying to prove a point to Pac by convincingly beating the guy that the vast majority of the boxing community believes beat him. In doing so, the plot for the May-Pac fight get thicker. That is how I PERSONALLY FEEL and I could be wrong. But if Cotto beats Pac, then the May-Cotto fight is HUGE.

So as the HARDCORE fans of the sport of boxing, we are in a good position because we will see some good fights to close out this year and the top of next year.

No offense taken Webb.....it is just my opinion...and I welcome a discussion and debate of boxing minds....

Fact is that I use to be one of the biggest Floyd fans out there.....before the term "nuthugger", "stans" or whatever other derogatory boxing fan terms were created....I think it was the Tony Pep fight that caught my eye about Floyd....back when he was still "Pretty Boy" Floyd....and to this day...I am a huge fan of his boxing skills...but his mouth and antics make me hate him more and more every time I see an article that reinforces my feelings...

I tell you the truth when I say "I would respect him more".....becuase what the *** do I gain in lying if I said "This fight is exactly what boxing needs right now"....becuase it isn't...

I created another thread weeks ago about "Awaiting the exorcism of Money...and the return of Pretty Boy".....check it out and hopefully you and others will see that I am not a Hater of Floyd the fighter....but Floyd the fronter.....

I too believe that he is using this fight with Marquez to setup a Pacquiao "PPV Record Shattering Fight".....but its a gamble....if he doesn't perform to the standards that everyone is expecting (KO win) AND the PPV #s don't sell above 500K.....he will lose his negotiating power....and will outprice himself out of a Pacquiao fight.

Regarding saying he would still be duckin Cotto or Mosley.....NO ONE in their right minds would say that had he came back for a tune-up against a legit WW contender......THEN go into a Cotto/Mosley fight.

[apsrising]

I didnt say PPV doesnt matter. So who the F**K are you replying to. You seem like youre a taste ******ed. You got a history of hate so I get it. Let me play the crystal ball for a second. mmmmmmmmmmmm. Youre right, by God youre right. They wont split 50-50 because they wont be fighting after Cotto gets in that ass.

lol, look at your post.... who's hating now?

[Lokotron]

I guess once you reach a level of Floyd, retire, comeback after 2 yrs a tune-up is not needed.....

Marquez....given Win...if not in dominating fashion...then wasn't even worth fighting....Pacquiao....should've fought 1st...but wanted to go the A-B-C route or do this fight as an "investment"....(see my other response for definition of "investment")

Bottom line....if Floyd does not KO Marquez...which I believe he will, he will lose many more fans....and IF his PPV does not do better than 500K buys...double wammy....

No exactly because he retired because he wanted to take a brake he has every right to take a break and he reitred P4P#1 yes hes the best.Not to worry because he should fight half the bums mentioned he only needs a ssm,cotto,pac,marquez and then he can retire for good.Cuz he beat collazo,forbes,berto,isaac haltasho they gonna say he ducked the best so lets leave it at that.

[Vasyl’s dad]

No exactly because he retired because he wanted to take a brake he has every right to take a break and he reitred P4P#1 yes hes the best.Not to worry because he should fight half the bums mentioned he only needs a ssm,cotto,pac,marquez and then he can retire for good.Cuz he beat collazo,forbes,berto,isaac haltasho they gonna say he ducked the best so lets leave it at that.

Floyd stans have been saying since 2006 he was going to get around to fighting the best welters,

we're a few months shy of 2010,

so when is it going to start?

[COACH WEBB]

No offense taken Webb.....it is just my opinion...and I welcome a discussion and debate of boxing minds....

Fact is that I use to be one of the biggest Floyd fans out there.....before the term "nuthugger", "stans" or whatever other derogatory boxing fan terms were created....I think it was the Tony Pep fight that caught my eye about Floyd....back when he was still "Pretty Boy" Floyd....and to this day...I am a huge fan of his boxing skills...but his mouth and antics make me hate him more and more every time I see an article that reinforces my feelings...

I tell you the truth when I say "I would respect him more".....becuase what the *** do I gain in lying if I said "This fight is exactly what boxing needs right now"....becuase it isn't...

I created another thread weeks ago about "Awaiting the exorcism of Money...and the return of Pretty Boy".....check it out and hopefully you and others will see that I am not a Hater of Floyd the fighter....but Floyd the fronter.....

I too believe that he is using this fight with Marquez to setup a Pacquiao "PPV Record Shattering Fight".....but its a gamble....if he doesn't perform to the standards that everyone is expecting (KO win) AND the PPV #s don't sell above 500K.....he will lose his negotiating power....and will outprice himself out of a Pacquiao fight.

Regarding saying he would still be duckin Cotto or Mosley.....NO ONE in their right minds would say that had he came back for a tune-up against a legit WW contender......THEN go into a Cotto/Mosley fight.

ok fightfan, thanks for the in depth post on your position now I have a better sense of where you are coming from.