Shakur Stevenson vs Vasyl Lomachenko at 130 Who Wins?

[BigZ44]

I like this fight! But I suspect that Shakur would just be too big for GRJ? But this fight intrigues me.

How about Stevenson vs Colbert?

I lean towards Shakur being too big as well, but I'm curious how he would handle a guy with quicker hands than him. During the middle of last night's fight I was just thinking about how it's a shame we probably won't ever get Stevenson vs Colbert because of promotional issues. It would probably take both guys being CLEARLY the top 2 guys in a certain weight class. Colbert's reach is enormous and despite the low KO% I think he hits harder than Shakur. He's shown me a lot more variety too, that's another sticking point I have with Shakur right now, what did he really throw last night. Jab (not nearly enough btw) check hook, straight left. Didn't see body work last night, no uppercuts, ZERO combination punching, which is the biggest problem.

The things Shakur does are all ELITE, but there's a lot of things he doesn't do, he may develop those things in the future, but there's a long list of guys who have cruised on what they CAN do and have failed to continue to develop other aspects of their games and then have been exposed when somebody takes that stuff away. I also think Shakur needs to try to make a long run at 130, I see him as a guy who could be in trouble once he gives up his physical advantages, 135 would be a real danger place for him imo.

As far as Colbert goes, Jezzrel Corrales is an awkward guy that I wouldn't mind seeing Shakur in with and it would also give us a point of comparison, El Invisible is a slippery cat.

[KTFOKING]

Valdez showed a lot more boxing ability in his last fight and he's got the game ender in that left hook, so I won't rule it out, but yes, I'd favor a Shakur decision stylistically. I'd favor a Shakur decision over Herring as well, but I'm not as convinced that's such a sure thing. It would still probably be the best win of Shakur's career. I'm always hesitant about guys that have faced NO adversity on the way up. I really think Loma would box the **** out of him and whoop him from round 5 on. We have no idea what Shakur will do if he's put under pressure or faced with a guy that can land on him, but I'm not encouraged based off how reserved he was against a guy in Nakathila who was way out of his depth and couldn't land a thing. The low workrate is incredibly worrisome as well, it's easy to rack up points when a guy can't land on you, but if his workrate remains similar, it won't take much for guys to nip close rounds against him in the future.

Valdez boxed beautifully vs Berchelt. One of the best performances of the year bar none. Love Valdez but he's going to have a hard time getting inside and will just get picked apart from the outside.

See, I don't see Loma just beating Shakur up like that. His style doesn't really allow for that to happen. But even if Loma is getting out boxed in the early going, he will know Shakur can't hurt him and will stay confident. I think it is a tight fight until the end. I can see Loma turning it up and winning the late rounds to secure the win. But I can't see either fighter dominating the other.

[BigZ44]

Valdez boxed beautifully vs Berchelt. One of the best performances of the year bar none. Love Valdez but he's going to have a hard time getting inside and will just get picked apart from the outside.

See, I don't see Loma just beating Shakur up like that. His style doesn't really allow for that to happen. But even if Loma is getting out boxed in the early going, he will know Shakur can't hurt him and will stay confident. I think it is a tight fight until the end. I can see Loma turning it up and winning the late rounds to secure the win. But I can't see either fighter dominating the other.

There's obviously a big difference in height and age, but Shakur and Rigo are somewhat similar fighters and their reach is actually just about the same. I don't think Loma "no mas's" Shakur like that, but I think it'd look similar where Shakur would start to get overwhelmed by the angles and activity as the fight progresses and I question whether he could make the adjustments to stop the waves of assaults that will continue coming from Loma. Think Loma's stock has dropped too far off the Lopez fight and people are forgetting how good he is, I'm expecting him to whitewash Nakatani and people to remember how good he is.

[KTFOKING]

There's obviously a big difference in height and age, but Shakur and Rigo are somewhat similar fighters and their reach is actually just about the same. I don't think Loma "no mas's" Shakur like that, but I think it'd look similar where Shakur would start to get overwhelmed by the angles and activity as the fight progresses and I question whether he could make the adjustments to stop the waves of assaults that will continue coming from Loma. Think Loma's stock has dropped too far off the Lopez fight and people are forgetting how good he is, I'm expecting him to whitewash Nakatani and people to remember how good he is.

Rigo was a small 122 pounder jumping up to 130, you can't compare him to Shakur. One guy was smaller than Loma considerably, the other will be taller and just as big as him.

Rigo quit because he couldn't get to Loma not because Loma was beating him up or anything. In fact, Loma was missing a lot of shots and wasn't landing the type of shots he usually lands. Different ball game vs Shakur. Lomachenko is fighting at 135 while Rigo is fighting at 118, just think about that for a second. Stevenson has the frame to eventually fight at 135 and probably even 140.

[BigZ44]

Rigo was a small 122 pounder jumping up to 130, you can't compare him to Shakur. One guy was smaller than Loma considerably, the other will be taller and just as big as him.

Rigo quit because he couldn't get to Loma not because Loma was beating him up or anything. In fact, Loma was missing a lot of shots and wasn't landing the type of shots he usually lands. Different ball game vs Shakur. Lomachenko is fighting at 135 while Rigo is fighting at 118, just think about that for a second. Stevenson has the frame to eventually fight at 135 and probably even 140.

Not disagreeing with that, only saying that styles are relatively similar and they surprisingly have a very similar reach. Obviously a huge difference in height and frame. IDK, I'm really a lot less enthused about Stevenson after last night than I was coming in, from a promotion standpoint, I think it'd be suicide to throw him in with a guy like Loma next. I really believe Herring is the perfect next opponent for him and then I might look at somebody like Roach or Bell for a first defense. The jump from Nakathila and Toka Kahn Clary to Loma is enormous, TR needs to work hard to find a middle ground right now.

[KTFOKING]

Not disagreeing with that, only saying that styles are relatively similar and they surprisingly have a very similar reach. Obviously a huge difference in height and frame. IDK, I'm really a lot less enthused about Stevenson after last night than I was coming in, from a promotion standpoint, I think it'd be suicide to throw him in with a guy like Loma next. I really believe Herring is the perfect next opponent for him and then I might look at somebody like Roach or Bell for a first defense. The jump from Nakathila and Toka Kahn Clary to Loma is enormous, TR needs to work hard to find a middle ground right now.

Definitely, ideally he would go from Herring to Valdez to Lomachenko. But I feel like he will still be competitive with Lomachenko RIGHT NOW. And if he loses? Then so be it, maybe that would force him to be less aggressive going forward and will force him to press the action more, especially against overmatched opponents.

[mxtali]

Lomas losses have come from 2 guys significantly bigger and stronger. It seems that’s his hardest style. Shakur doesn’t posses those attributes. I’d take Loma

[KTFOKING]

I lean towards Shakur being too big as well, but I'm curious how he would handle a guy with quicker hands than him. During the middle of last night's fight I was just thinking about how it's a shame we probably won't ever get Stevenson vs Colbert because of promotional issues. It would probably take both guys being CLEARLY the top 2 guys in a certain weight class. Colbert's reach is enormous and despite the low KO% I think he hits harder than Shakur. He's shown me a lot more variety too, that's another sticking point I have with Shakur right now, what did he really throw last night. Jab (not nearly enough btw) check hook, straight left. Didn't see body work last night, no uppercuts, ZERO combination punching, which is the biggest problem.

The things Shakur does are all ELITE, but there's a lot of things he doesn't do, he may develop those things in the future, but there's a long list of guys who have cruised on what they CAN do and have failed to continue to develop other aspects of their games and then have been exposed when somebody takes that stuff away. I also think Shakur needs to try to make a long run at 130, I see him as a guy who could be in trouble once he gives up his physical advantages, 135 would be a real danger place for him imo.

As far as Colbert goes, Jezzrel Corrales is an awkward guy that I wouldn't mind seeing Shakur in with and it would also give us a point of comparison, El Invisible is a slippery cat.

Yeah, that would be a pretty good fight for Stevenson. Corrales is awkward and a tough out.

Could take Colbert or Shakur being the others mandatory but that's hard if Colbert becomes a champion.

GRJ is a very intriguing fight though. Someone who could match and really surpass his handspeed. Damn, now I'm mad that fight is not being talked about lol.

[BigZ44]

Yeah, that would be a pretty good fight for Stevenson. Corrales is awkward and a tough out.

Could take Colbert or Shakur being the others mandatory but that's hard if Colbert becomes a champion.

GRJ is a very intriguing fight though. Someone who could match and really surpass his handspeed. Damn, now I'm mad that fight is not being talked about lol.

Sucks that some of these fights are on the other side of the street, TR just needs to make sure that they can at least get B level guys in with Shakur. The mix of skill, style and lack of money will make it difficult to get A level guys in there, but you can't tell me that guys like Bell, Roach and Nova wouldn't jump at that title shot. Those guys will at least force something more out of Shakur and help his development, even if they aren't the fights we'd really love to see, they will make him better and answer more questions.

What they can't do is continue matching him with the Nakathila's, Caraballo's and Jessie Rosales' of the world, because those guys do nothing for him at this point, except lower his stock among fans

[Outwest Exp 355]

Not a Stevenson fan but he’s younger, bigger, and probably a little more hungrier too. Plus Loma’s had some injuries in the past. His best days are probably behind him now so I voted for Stevenson.