Serious question: why are so many people confident that Spence beats Manny, but not confident Spence beats Crawford?

[MONGOOSE66]

Manny Pacquiao dropped prime Keef for the first or second time in his career.

Manny Pacquiao BEAT Keef Thurman for the first time in his career and Keef is essentially done as a fighter.

Manny is a tough out. Even now, I think only Floyd and possibly Spence make easy work of Manny Pacquiao. Even Horn didn't have it easy, he had to work for those 7 rounds he won and he damn sure didn't win more than 7.


Look...I suspect Spence makes it look easy against Manny, not because of Manny's age, but because Spence is a highly skilled fighter that I don't think many of you give him credit for. He's proven it time and again - people on here claimed Algieri would outbox him, claimed Brook would outbox him, claimed Danny Swift might knock him out, etc. None of that happened. He's gone through some dangerous opponents, and in two of their cases, (both last name Garcia) he made it look easy because the opponent was nullified and afraid to throw on him.


But, I've seen numerous posts claiming that Crawford is somehow superior - despite not having any opponent to validate this. I don't see it. Spence hasn't been wobbled since Lartey, never dropped. Crawford's been hurt multiple times against lesser opposition and has had sketchy ref stoppages in every fight at 147 except Kavaliauskas.


Then people call out Spence/Porter, and I keep saying NOBODY has an easy night against Shawn Porter, which is why Crawford ducked him and I don't blame him for that.


So why is it that people can be so confident that Spence beats Manny, yet skeptical he beats Crawford, when Spence has MORE rounds in the books against tougher opposition AND Manny Pacquiao is still a legit threat?

You REALLY don’t understand????
”Ones OLD and one isn’t.
Some real deep thinkers in this place.

[ShaneMosleySr]

Manny Pacquiao lost to Jeff Horn.

That’s why.

[Combat Talk Radio]

Manny takes a lot of breaks now during fights. Spence gets better over the 2nd half. Also many of Pac's usual counters won't be there because of the Southpaw vs Southpaw angle. I think plain and simple Spence has the jab to control Manny.

You're right about Bud there's nothing to really validate him being better than Spence going by opponents. I think he gets by on the Eye test. A lot of people think of Spence as a heavy-footed plodder, but he's more than athletic enough, and for his kind of style he's actually sound defensively. It's a 50/50 kind of fight in my eyes.

I don't see it 50-50. Not even close.

Let's say that the version of Crawford that fought Burns, faced Spence next. THAT (with a ref that stops Crawford from dirty tactics so he's forced to actually use skill) would easily be a 50-50 fight in my eyes, because Crawford was an excellent fighter that night. No holding and hitting, no low blows, no quick trigger ref, etc. He was forced to show me something over 12 and he did.

But that wasn't 147.

And three of his last five opponents were winning rounds by pumping a jab in his face.

One was winning rounds by timing and countering, which resulted in Crawford getting two-pieced, wobbled and dropped.

That's my issue with Crawford. I see a more skilled, less powerful version of Deontay Wilder that has fooled his fans with smoke.

I see him having limited answers to Spence.

If he tries that bum rush crap, Spence will treat him like Porter and time the hell out of him.

If he tries to box, Spence will treat him like both Garcias and jab the hell out of him.

If he tries to get dirty, Spence will get dirty back.

We've SEEN Spence do these things, against four Top 5 Welterweights. Crawford has only done it against the C-level.

[SCEN3RY]

Crawford is a beast man. We can pick a part his resume, but there's absolutely no way that you don't notice the skill, the talent, the versatility. He's a multi-dimensional fighter; great tank, very good with his legs when he wants to be and very dangerous offensively. If he wasn't any good, Spence wouldn't have used ever bull**** excuse to avoid him. Neither of them should be chasing a 42 year old, but that's Manny's decision.

[Dallas' 4 Eva]

Manny takes a lot of breaks now during fights. Spence gets better over the 2nd half. Also many of Pac's usual counters won't be there because of the Southpaw vs Southpaw angle. I think plain and simple Spence has the jab to control Manny.

You're right about Bud there's nothing to really validate him being better than Spence going by opponents. I think he gets by on the Eye test. I do think on paper Bud theoretically is the harder fighter to figure out. A lot of people think of Spence as a heavy-footed plodder, but he's very athletic and for his kind of style he's actually sound defensively. It's a 50/50 kind of fight in my eyes.

Funny thing is if we are going off their last 5 fights(since Crawford moved up to 147) Crawford fights MUCH more flat footed than Spence. I haven't seen Crawford bounce in and out on his toes jabbing his opponent to oblivion like Spence was doing to Danny in the middle rounds of their fight, or drop his hands low and start rolling punches off his shoulders like he did vs Mikey since... I don't know ever to be honest.

People can keep ignoring the skills they have seen over his past few fights if they want to, they are gonna act shocked when they finally do fight and they realize Spence is in a whole different league than him.

[GrandpaBernard]

Because manny is a half fight boxer these days

he was already fading after 6 rounds in matches years ago

Suspect stamina isn’t good when facing a terrific body punching pressure fighter

[Combat Talk Radio]

Funny thing is if we are going off their last 5 fights(since Crawford moved up to 147) Crawford fights MUCH more flat footed than Spence. I haven't seen Crawford bounce in and out on his toes jabbing his opponent to oblivion like Spence was doing to Danny in the middle rounds of their fight, or drop his hands low and start rolling punches off his shoulders like he did vs Mikey since... I don't know ever to be honest.

People can keep ignoring the skills they have seen over his past few fights if they want to, they are gonna act shocked when they finally do fight and they realize Spence is in a whole different league than him.

This right here. Exactly.

[Combat Talk Radio]

Crawford is a beast man.

Against the C-level.

Spence has beasted against the A-level.

Get it?

[Combat Talk Radio]

Because manny is a half fight boxer these days

he was already fading after 6 rounds in matches years ago

Suspect stamina isn’t good when facing a terrific body punching pressure fighter

I'm more trying to understand why people think that "terrific body punching pressure fighter" loses to Crawford.

[GrandpaBernard]

I'm more trying to understand why people think that "terrific body punching pressure fighter" loses to Crawford.

good question pressure guys typically do well against stylish boxers