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  • MatParker116
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    Sherdog on MMa's and boxings heavyweight divisions

    Article "Mass Appeal" Below:
    There was once no greater prize in sports than boxing’s heavyweight championship of the world. Men would lobby for years, sacrificing memories and cognitive functioning, in pursuit of concrete proof they were tough. Owning it meant that you were the best -- or at least the most durable -- in the most punishing athletic event allowed in civilized society.

    Today, the title is a joke. Like boxing itself, it’s a fractured, incomprehensible mess, owned by no fewer than three fighters, including two brothers, the Klitschkos, who will never fight to unify the pieces. Champions of earlier eras were so broadly defined that grandmothers passing on the street could probably acknowledge Tyson or Ali. Who could identify Nikolay Valuev as anything but a monster in a B-movie?

    Boxing is dying because what was once the most easily understood sport of all -- hit that guy -- now requires a flow chart to follow and appliance dolleys for the egos. It does everything wrong. And when it does something right -- awarding Mayweather/De La Hoya a record two-million-plus buyrate in 2007 -- it lacks the cohesion to follow up with another big bout to capitalize.

    The UFC has no such problems. You like Brock Lesnar? You will get more Brock Lesnar. Shane Carwin has earned a title shot? Shane Carwin isn’t owned by a competing promoter. Shane Carwin can fight Brock Lesnar.

    Thirty-two and with only five professional fights, Lesnar is already the UFC’s biggest star. That he also happens to own their version of the Toughest Man in the West branding is setting that division on a path similar to boxing’s in the 20th century.

    No confusion, preamble or qualifiers: If you have the UFC’s heavyweight belt, you are not one to be messed with.

    This cache is attributable partly to Lesnar’s athletic pedigree -- unlike sea monsters of the past, he has a legitimate combat sports education in collegiate wrestling -- and the growing pool of talent prepared to challenge him. Lesnar’s belt isn’t made of paper: If he’s still champion a year from now, it will have been earned.

    This was not always the case. In 2005, the UFC promoted a bout between then-current champion Andrei Arlovski and Paul Buentello, possibly the weakest title main event in the company’s history. (Buentello was knocked out in 15 seconds.) Most of the dangerous big men were earning tax-free dollars in Japan’s Pride promotion: An ocean’s distance and a stateside disrespect for MMA kept that championship off radar.

    Jeff Sherwood/Sherdog.com

    Heavyweight talent, once scarce,
    is now looking quite plentiful.
    With the UFC’s basic-cable popularity came financial freedom, and with that freedom came the ability to have a shelf populated by dangerous fighters. Carwin and Lesnar meet in the fall: The winner is likely to face the survivor of the Cain Velasquez/Ben Rothwell bout in October.

    There’s your toughest guy. Until the next toughest guy comes along.

    The debuting Todd Duffee made strides in that direction Saturday with a record knockout over Tim Hague; September’s “Ultimate Fighter” season is a heavyweight-exclusive affair, with one participant (Roy Nelson) a known headache. Even Pride’s old guard, including Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira and Mirko "Cro Cop" Filipovic, are returning to some of their old form. Heavyweight talent, once scarce, is looking plentiful.

    There’s the angle of the NFL monopolizing most of the bigger athletic talent in this country. While that’s not without merit, it ignores a growing concern in the football community over just how utterly demolishing that sport can be. Concussions -- more specifically, second-impact syndrome, or a concussion on top of a concussion -- is churning out more and more cognitively ***********al athletes. If you are a hardcore 250-pound body who enjoys contact, you may find the premise of fighting twice a year more appealing than getting sacked by 400-pound linemen for 17 weeks straight. (You may also have eaten your way into heart disease in an attempt to match his size.)

    Talent is coming. The talent already here is shadowed by pink elephant Fedor Emelianenko, a bruising Russian with a 30-1 record who has been mythologized by media as the greatest heavyweight alive. Having been aligned with Strikeforce, he’s exempt from the UFC’s title picture. It would appear to be an infection of boxing’s chaotic promotion.

    A small dose of that might be a good thing. Lesnar is the UFC’s absolute champion; Emelianenko is the stray who puts Lesnar’s dominance in some doubt. That’s watercooler talk that keeps energy and enthusiasm churning: The occasional hypothetical fight is fuel for the fire. (Ten or 20 of them, as in boxing, is just diffusing.)

    Ultimately, one of two things will occur: Either Emelianenko will burn through Strikeforce’s opposition and sign with the UFC simply because he lacks any other human worth beating up, or someone -- possibly Brett Rogers, possibly Alistair Overeem, possibly someone we’ve not yet heard of -- will pull a Balboa and KO the invincible man.

    At contract’s end, Strikeforce will be hard-pressed to match the UFC’s offer. And boxing will be hard-pressed to match a primary reason for MMA’s rapidly growing influence: the promise of a truly undisputed champion.
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    Interesting article. With all the boxing vs mma talk the heavyweight division is certainly an intriguing point of discussion. Alot of members here like to say an mma fighter wouldnt last in boxing because of horrible form may be true for lower weight divisions but the heavyweight division in boxing hasnt exactly been known for remarkable technique for the past 15 years.

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    • New School
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      Brock Lesnar is 10x more fun to watch than anything that's currently going on in the bastardly boxing heavyweight division.

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        Why hasn't Fedor fought Brock yet? Why didn't he fight Couture when he was champ? Same bull**** that goes on in boxing.

        Other than that, I can't defend the business side of boxing. Best sport in world, worst business in the world.

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        • shadeyfizzle
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          Originally posted by rj_ct
          Why hasn't Fedor fought Brock yet? Why didn't he fight Couture when he was champ? Same bull**** that goes on in boxing.

          Other than that, I can't defend the business side of boxing. Best sport in world, worst business in the world.
          Well then entire premise of the article is that Its gone on for far too long in boxing. It's had plenty of opportunities to reform and it chooses not to. MMA for the most part however is capitalizing on the opportunity to do things right.

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          • Jim Jeffries
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            #6
            I stopped reading at "boxing is dying because ...."

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              Originally posted by MatParker116

              Today, the title is a joke.


              Thirty-two and with only five professional fights,
              If you have the UFC’s heavyweight belt, you are not one to be messed with.


              This is the part that gets me.

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              • rj_ct
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                #8
                Originally posted by shadeyfizzle
                Well then entire premise of the article is that Its gone on for far too long in boxing. It's had plenty of opportunities to reform and it chooses not to. MMA for the most part however is capitalizing on the opportunity to do things right.
                Yeah, I didn't read the second part of the article until just now. I thought it ended where it said "Jeff Sherwood/Sherdog.com"

                I love the sport of boxing, but I will never defend the business side of it.

                Oh, and 10 pages filled with "MMGAY." I'm calling it now.

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                  Originally posted by rj_ct
                  Yeah, I didn't read the second part of the article until just now. I thought it ended where it said "Jeff Sherwood/Sherdog.com"

                  I love the sport of boxing, but I will never defend the business side of it.

                  Oh, and 10 pages filled with "MMGAY." I'm calling it now.
                  I have a feeling you're prediction is gonna be right


                  Personally, i'm not a big of fan of the heavyweight division in general. In Boxing i know Wlad and Chris Arreola, other than that i'm not too up to date with them. Obviously, being an MMA fan i know the heavyweight division better...and it still doesn't awe me. Most the guys in the top 10 and some in the top 15 are legit, then you have a bunch of overweight out of shape guys who are successful cuz they're all 250lb. plus and anyone who gets it clean by 250lb.+ guy gets ktfo.

                  And what's with the "boxing is dying" stuff? It seems to me like boxing's just hitting the period where they just need to develop a bunch of new stars and put them in the spotlight. Every combat sports gotta have that, it just so happens that they're biggest stars are getting old and they're new guys are up and coming.

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                    The whole "boxing is dying" thing is where misinterpretations happen and people get all up in arms and take sides between the 2 sports.


                    Yes, boxing is dying. No it does not mean noone watches boxing anymore and it definitely does not mean boxing will cease to exist as a sport.

                    The statement means that boxing is rotting from the inside out. MMA gets more and more popular in the US because its simple to follow.

                    In boxing theres different rules in every state, and you need a flowchart to follow the champions of each division. How many years has it been since a "boxing czar" was proposed and we have yet to have 1 regulate the sport and skim off the blood sucking leeches in it?? Until boxing reforms itself it will never come back to its "golden age"

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