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Originally posted by Walexhris
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alot of “ifs” in ur post Bro...IF “Haney” had power, IF Haney could have closed the show...obviously Haney has below average power and was not CAPABLE of even coming close to stopping the previously kod 5 times older version of Linares! Lets stop with the “IFS”...like saying IF Haney was not seriously hurt in the FINAL SECONDS of rd 10 - Linares would have finished him. live in the reality of what we just saw in the Haney/Linares fight. Ain’t nobody ducking Haney...nothing special about him. And “we heard” this happened to Teo in the gym....again live in reality of what ur eyes actually see and not in the land of “IFS”and wat u “Heard” from a 3rd party. Have yet to SEE Teo hurt or wobbled...and Takanati(kod Verdejo) and Comney both have good power. Judge Teo based on wat ur own eyes see amigo...Last edited by IRONCHINHAGLER; 05-31-2021, 06:09 PM. -
Yeah, and it's funny how this has become about Haney, instead of the best (available) opponent for tank as of right now, you mentioned some fighters you'd like to see tank against...sadly they are not available as of now, which was my pointOriginally posted by IRONCHINHAGLER View Post
We've not seen teo wobbled, but worse than being wobbled he was knocked out twice in sparing, by the same guy on diff occasions, meaning he couldn't even make necessary adjustments, no smoke without fire bro.... the video is out there & there's been no rebuttal (we both know how vocal teo is)...his braintrust decided to let the issue die naturally (IMO)
Linares hurt Haney in the tenth, 2 rounds left, so haney decides to coast, if it happened earlier, Haney won't coast(IMO).
"Nobody ducking Haney", maybe, but are you saying kamboso was the best available fight for teo as of when he decided that was the fight he was going for?
"Like saying, if Haney was not seriously hurt, Linares would have finished him" I don't get this line, or the point being made.
My If's where to establish the fact that when guys have a lot of power & can close the show early, its unlikely we see them hurt in later rounds, because most times, there are no later rounds
I remember the nakatani fight, a lot of peeps here were saying teo wasn't special because of one performance, but look what he did to Loma, so all I'm saying is, it's a little too soon to judge the guyLast edited by Walexhris; 06-01-2021, 08:53 PM.Comment
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apparently the experts disagree with u on Teo - who is rated in p4p list despite wat u “heard”(and now say “saw”) in sparring. Dont know why u dont get the point of “If Haney was not visibly hurt in then FINAL seconds of rd 10 - Linares would have finished him.....put another way so u “get it”...If Linares had seriously hurt Haney early in rd 10...he would have closed the show. Now u get it? And Haney didnt coast....he embarrassed himself and got booed the last 2 rds for all the clenching and literally lunging at Linares crotch after the ref pulled them apart. “Coasting” is De La Hoya in the last 3 rds against Trinidad. Haney was desperate to survive and not get Ko’d. Huge difference. Then makes himself look even more pathetic by saying after the fight he was not hurt... And as for Davis - apparently the “top fighters” have not been available the majority of his career...particularly his last 2 fights and upcoming one against tomato can Barrios. And u do know Kambooses is Teo’s mandatory...not a cherry-pick like Tanks last 3.Originally posted by Walexhris View Post
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semantics....."if Haney wasn't visibly hurt in the final seconds of round 10" you're equating that to " if Linares had seriously hurt Haney...." HmmmmmOriginally posted by IRONCHINHAGLER View Post
I'm not saying teo is not everything he's said to be. I'm saying we can all draw assumptions(we want) after considering a plethora of events,and we choose events that help us make our points
with regards to the sparring I'm only pointing out something obvious, given how talkative Lopez is, the fact that he isn't refuting it begs a question
But let me take this a little seriously, we are both playing the what if game whether u admit Itor not, now let's consider Floyd for a moment
Floyd had 2 tough fights at the same weight.... One with Luis castillo(the first, really tough).. Floyd handled his in the second, wasn't too flashy another one with victoriano Sosa ( I like this one actually), but at a point Floyd had some problems....now imagine looking @ those 2 fights and concluding that Floyd wouldn't perform at higher weights or that Floyd's performance would be subpar at higher weight classes, we can both see it doesn't work that way
Haney being booed only tells me about how weird our world really is, Haney put on a masterful performance of 10 rounds, and the crowd egged him on at the time, then he got injured and had to be cautious and play chess and they booed, it taught me a simple lesson(live for you alone), boxing is an art, it's a science, there's a mthd to the madness. Haney did what he had to do to get the win, it was Linares job not to allow him.
I also saw Floyd get seriously hurt in Mayweather vs maidana 2, a right hand buckled Floyd at the end of(I think the 5th not too sure) when he got the the corner Floyd senior immediately stretched out jr legs......I watch Floyd take the next round ofr and half of the next too, while he recovered and then handled business as usual.
I also saw teo look a bit clueless in the later rounds vs Loma, only to come out in the 12th and give Loma a serious beat down, I felt sorry for Loma
My point is one fight doesn't predict how haney performs vs teo
As for Davis I'm not concerned about the majority of his career atm, I'm talking about the barrios fight, and we both know that Lopez could ignore the Mando for a unification with Haney(I'm sure you know that)
Last edited by Walexhris; 06-02-2021, 11:55 AM.Comment
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why would Teo - if true speak of sparring wen no commentators or insider/writer brings it up. Teo is now on the p4p list and is obviously highly respected and regarded as one of the best in the world. Like i said - Teo has proved his skill, power, and chin in the ring during championship fights wen it counts and the whole boxing world is watching. And Teo just beat Loma - considered p4p best at the time and still in most p4p list. Taking care of his mando keeping the belt. Teo will b the clear favorite over Haney...thats for sure! And Haney blatantly broke the rules by clenching and literally lunging to put his arms around Linares waist... Linares could do to prevent that when a fighter is that determined to not engage for feat of getting Ko’d. Not comparable to Floyd in anyway. Taking a rd off(using ur legs...circling and boxing doesn’t compare to what the self-proclaimed “not hurt” Haney did. And if u don’t believe Haney - who wobbled to his corner - was seriously hurt then why all the blatant man-hugging in the final rds? There is no “boxing art” in wat the supposedly “not hurt” Haney did the final 2 rds...it’s embarrassingly breaking the rules over and over.Originally posted by Walexhris View PostLast edited by IRONCHINHAGLER; 06-02-2021, 12:51 PM.Comment
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Haney wobbled to his corner, true dat, the same thing happened to Floyd in the second maidana fight, all you need to do is watch that fight again & really pay attention, maidana knew Floyd had been hurt, the same way Linares knew he had hurt Haney, Floyd did the smart thing, he clinched until he recoveredOriginally posted by IRONCHINHAGLER View Post
If Linares had nothing in his arsenal to prevent Haney from cinching & lunging, whose fault?
You're deciding to base your analysis of Haney on a minute fraction of the whole fight, it almost like you were wishing for that moment, if I didn't see the fight myself I'd be getting a different picture, what do you mean by Haney broke the rules over & over, that's ridiculous coming from someone as grounded as you are, we both know that in the ring the referee is law & the rules are what ever the referee allows at the time
Yeah, teo has proved himself no doubt(so far, so good), but again, we both know that he could pick Haney over his Mando without hassles(this does not imply that teo is a duck, but he's obviously not in a hurry to fight Haney)
Teo speaks a lot about sparring, especially when it goes his way, he's always brought up the Haney sparring, he doesn't bring up the tank sparring, in this case, I feel he knew it was wise not to fan the fire
I agree, teo would be the favourite if they both fight, just like Loma was the favourite when he fought teoLast edited by Walexhris; 06-03-2021, 02:59 PM.Comment
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Well it's a good thing Floyd is calling the shots and not Pacroids, otherwise Tanks record would look like Pac's first 45 fights:Originally posted by VegasRaiders View Post
Manny Pacroids: The most padded record in boxing history, Boonsai Sangsurat, Serikzhan Yeshmagambetov, hell he even lost to Jeff Horn hahahaha. Anyone decent that Pacroids beat was a Floyd leftover, then when he finally fought Floyd, he lost, and lied about an injury. The master of cherry picking/getting knocked out and avoiding steroid tests.Comment
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the fight sucks and the opponent sucks, same as every tank fight. he should stay at one weight and fight the best guys instead of jumping up and down when theres a vulnerable opponent ( aka the canelo method) or dragging fighters up from lower weightsComment
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When the ref breaks u and ur opponent literally dives at ur crotch to wrap both arms around ur legs...there literally nothing a fighter can do to prevent that...Linares tried to throw him off...but Haney was man-hugging so tightly. That was in rd 12....Haney was hurt in rd 10. Didn’t expect Haney to go back out there and trade with Linares...but didn’t expect him to finish the fight like a scared lil girl...especially since he says he was NOT HURT and questioned Linares punching power He should b questioning his own power since Linares had been Ko’d 5 previous times. We will see wat happens in Haneys next fight...I think he will fight as if he now doubts his own chin. Especially if he fights Teo....Haney will definitely b on his bike and clenching at every opportunity.Originally posted by Walexhris View Post
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I think there's a lot a fighter can do to prevent thatOriginally posted by IRONCHINHAGLER View Post
Well Linares also said in an interview that he didn't feel Haney's punches at all.....his face said different
"Like a scared little gyal" yeah right, Mr macho(lol)
He'd definitely be on his bike, well if he wins by being on his bike, it's teo's fault not devin..... Use of space is art class101
teo would have to fight him though, then we'd seeLast edited by Walexhris; 06-03-2021, 05:51 PM.Comment
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