Floyd is fighting a YouTuber while Pacquaio is fighting a p4p king

[Robbie Barrett]

So if another fighter comes along and goes 100-0 and defeats 1 champion in every weight class (all 17 weight classes) over his career...that doesn't impact ATG standings? Yes, it does...otherwise Floyd could never be an ATG because SRR, SRL, Duran, Hagler, Ali, etc. they all retired well before Floyd and they're all ATG

I think he's saying the Paul fight doesn't impact his career. I agree it doesn't. He's not competing in the sport so why should it.

[The Big Dunn]

So if another fighter comes along and goes 100-0 and defeats 1 champion in every weight class (all 17 weight classes) over his career...that doesn't impact ATG standings? Yes, it does...otherwise Floyd could never be an ATG because SRR, SRL, Duran, Hagler, Ali, etc. they all retired well before Floyd and they're all ATG

Did you really just use that as an example? Come on. In that case everyone is surpassed.

We’re talking Floyd and manny now. With Floyd, whether it be manny, canelo, Loma, etc etc every above average win somehow became a referendum on Floyd.

maybe we need to accept the fact that boxing doesn’t occupy the same space and therefore doesn’t attract the same level of talent the sport used to. Because of that it is very difficult for modern fighters to climb the ATG list.

I just think the Floyd / manny thing has been decided when they fought. I just don’t see why people can’t move on.

manny signs to fight Spence and that becomes about Floyd.

and you guys wonder why Floyd makes hundreds of millions fighting white pop culture figures in exhibitions.

[Szef]

Did you really just use that as an example? Come on. In that case everyone is surpassed.

We’re talking Floyd and manny now. With Floyd, whether it be manny, canelo, Loma, etc etc every above average win somehow became a referendum on Floyd.

maybe we need to accept the fact that boxing doesn’t occupy the same space and therefore doesn’t attract the same level of talent the sport used to. Because of that it is very difficult for modern fighters to climb the ATG list.

I just think the Floyd / manny thing has been decided when they fought. I just don’t see why people can’t move on.

manny signs to fight Spence and that becomes about Floyd.

and you guys wonder why Floyd makes hundreds of millions fighting white pop culture figures in exhibitions.

Floyd was the better fighter, Pacquiao is the greater fighter.

It's quite clear.

[Roadblock]

Did you really just use that as an example? Come on. In that case everyone is surpassed.

We’re talking Floyd and manny now. With Floyd, whether it be manny, canelo, Loma, etc etc every above average win somehow became a referendum on Floyd.

maybe we need to accept the fact that boxing doesn’t occupy the same space and therefore doesn’t attract the same level of talent the sport used to. Because of that it is very difficult for modern fighters to climb the ATG list.

I just think the Floyd / manny thing has been decided when they fought. I just don’t see why people can’t move on.

manny signs to fight Spence and that becomes about Floyd.

and you guys wonder why Floyd makes hundreds of millions fighting white pop culture figures in exhibitions.

The reason modern fighters don't climb the ATG list is because of how hard it is to stand out today, that's the numbers game of today's times in play, the internet changed everything not in making them any better or worse in ability, the internet changed how someone is perceived and seen publicly it's so easy to pull a major scam now, scam as in building and presenting a lie that is swallowed by the masses. today everything is more of a popularity contest than ever before, today that is 80% of the equation.

[The Big Dunn]

Floyd was the better fighter, Pacquiao is the greater fighter.

It's quite clear.

No it isn’t. Losses count. It’s also not as if Floyd doesn’t have a roster of accomplishments as well.

Manny is more popular among the NSB crowd.

[Robbie Barrett]

Floyd was the better fighter, Pacquiao is the greater fighter.

It's quite clear.

Beating the most P4P fighters and most World champions ever. That's greatness. Cherry picking while slowly moving up to your natural weight is good too.

[The Big Dunn]

The reason modern fighters don't climb the ATG list is because of how hard it is to stand out today, that's the numbers game of today's times in play, the internet changed everything not in making them any better or worse in ability, the internet changed how someone is perceived and seen publicly it's so easy to pull a major scam now, scam as in building and presenting a lie that is swallowed by the masses. today everything is more of a popularity contest than ever before, today that is 80% of the equation.

I think that is a fair observation. I also think the quality of competition has been watered down.

[Szef]

No it isn’t. Losses count. It’s also not as if Floyd doesn’t have a roster of accomplishments as well.

Manny is more popular among the NSB crowd.

It most certainly is, and people on this and other boxing forums agree with me.

[Roadblock]

I think that is a fair observation. I also think the quality of competition has been watered down.

I actually think the overall quality of fighters is better through science and the game evolving, just think its so hard to stand above the crowd now so much so they are expected to fight the monsters every time they step out, the ATGs of history had a load of cans on their resumes but they had a few great names also and that was enough the media coverage just wasn't there, not today its never enough to beat top guys you must beat the impossible every start, no matter what or who they beat there will always be the naysayers in multi rows so the actual real levels of the sport get lost in the soup.

[TJ highway]

Floyd vs You tuber is make believe!