Why do fans/msm care about undisputed so much?I thought Belts mean nothing

[kushking]

I genuinely don't give a sht about fighters becoming undisputed if the last guy remaining stands no chance,& especially if they are a cowardly paper champion who has held his belt hostage & sat on the shelf just to hold the belt hostage more. Undisputed has been granted an undeserving amount of weight in boxing imho,the fact that Taylor v Ramirez is for undisputed,or that Bud became undisputed at 140 when it was bum ridden as can be,sums up to me why it means lil as to whether a fighters a legend.(look at how Bud has coasted since then,& is still treated as if he actually fought killers)

When Canelo beat ggg he should've been 1 belt away from undisputed,but because of joke orgs,he had to beat Jacobs for a vacant belt,then he was stripped anyways & to become undisputed hed have to have faced Deryev the loser v Jacobs(who priced self out like a clown,& IBF STILL stripped Canelo),& Andrade the paper champ who got his belt v an amateur African domestic level.(is it any real stretch to say 3x lineal mw champ Canelo was by far the best at mw & beating paper champs would've proven nothing?)

(Canelo won 3 fights at mw that were between#1&#2 ffs)

Now Canelo is supposed to get Caleb ducker Plant into the ring for undisputed at smw as if hes an actual threat in any way,& as if he will somehow prove something unproven til now?

I often hear fans say belts don't matter,well why do you give so much importance to undisputed?(don't get me wrong I want Canelo to destroy Plant because I think hes a fraud,paper champ,but I know he will play games & avoid the fight,& he'll pretend that the deadline passed for a fight in September)

Then the corrupt pos orgs will mandate Canelo fight another bum,& he'll have to or be stripped. Is beating Plant really going to change anything aside from how reporters blow Canelo in articles after yrs of downplaying his achievements?

I think it's rediculous that if Canelo doesnt get undisputed, somehow he won't be lauded like other lesser undisputed champs are.

Imagine if Bud didn't have access to all the belts at 140 in house?

[ShaneMosleySr]

We are because every champion uses to be undisputed. Now no one is.

[Marchegiano]

Because I respect the belts and lineal means pretty much nothing to me let alone promotional magazine belts and promotional rankings from the media.

Boxing was really, really, ****ty before the bodies and having a bunch of pointless unterbelts doesn't change the fact that it is them who brought us **** like ranking.

It's hilarious to me folks want to claim John L's belt, John L's lineage, based on the fact that the ring mag #1 fought the ring mag #2....John L....you know, prior to ratings period. That's how his belt moves though....through a sanctioning body advent.

IMO you're not really much of a champion unless you're undisputed. Your name doesn't belong beside Dempsey and Ali unless you are the only champion in your division. Undisputed is that. Undisputed makes lineal ******, makes single straps ******, makes all that bull**** not matter as much because there is one champion in the division.

Sharkey and Maher have better claims to lineal than Fury and Wlad ever did. Lineal well more ****ed than mandos. You can win the belt in the ring, have it handed to you and congratulated by the last lineal, and fans just be like...nah...we don't like him, 100 years later, **** still sticks. Meanwhile Ring makes up some **** that has **** all nothing to do with anything that ever happened in Sully's lifetime and bop, ****, boom, a dude who was never the champion of the division is now forever considered the lineal champion of a division.


So I dunno wtf I am meant to respect. Your opinion of resumes? Rings pretend lineal nonsense? Fan made up pretend lineal nonsense that never existed when lineal was the only belt and borrows from sanctioning body rules just to make a lick of sense?

The WBC is who brought ranking, weight divisions, **** like that. Nat Fleischer put out a ****load of misinformation to make a name for himself that continues to float around today while said info is owned by Oscar, TBRB is basically a popularity contest, is pretty ball-less, and follows the same made up, pulled out of their ass, criteria as Ring and everyone else. Boxrec's a ****ing joke. ESPN is a ****ing channel.

What is there in that for me to respect? Semantics? Bull**** piled high enough most folks will never realize it's just a blatant lie?

[kushking]

Because I respect the belts and lineal means pretty much nothing to me let alone promotional magazine belts and promotional rankings from the media.

Boxing was really, really, ****ty before the bodies and having a bunch of pointless unterbelts doesn't change the fact that it is them who brought us **** like ranking.

It's hilarious to me folks want to claim John L's belt, John L's lineage, based on the fact that the ring mag #1 fought the ring mag #2....John L....you know, prior to ratings period. That's how his belt moves though....through a sanctioning body advent.

IMO you're not really much of a champion unless you're undisputed. Your name doesn't belong beside Dempsey and Ali unless you are the only champion in your division. Undisputed is that. Undisputed makes lineal ******, makes single straps ******, makes all that bull**** not matter as much because there is one champion in the division.

Sharkey and Maher have better claims to lineal than Fury and Wlad ever did. Lineal well more ****ed than mandos. You can win the belt in the ring, have it handed to you and congratulated by the last lineal, and fans just be like...nah...we don't like him, 100 years later, **** still sticks. Meanwhile Ring makes up some **** that has **** all nothing to do with anything that ever happened in Sully's lifetime and bop, ****, boom, a dude who was never the champion of the division is now forever considered the lineal champion of a division.


So I dunno wtf I am meant to respect. Your opinion of resumes? Rings pretend lineal nonsense? Fan made up pretend lineal nonsense that never existed when lineal was the only belt and borrows from sanctioning body rules just to make a lick of sense?

The WBC is who brought ranking, weight divisions, **** like that. Nat Fleischer put out a ****load of misinformation to make a name for himself that continues to float around today while said info is owned by Oscar, TBRB is basically a popularity contest, is pretty ball-less, and follows the same made up, pulled out of their ass, criteria as Ring and everyone else. Boxrec's a ****ing joke. ESPN is a ****ing channel.

What is there in that for me to respect? Semantics? Bull**** piled high enough most folks will never realize it's just a blatant lie?

So you are saying Lineal is bs because rankings are chosen by a bunch of fat clowns,yet you lend weight to this 4 belt era where the orgs rankings are selected by how much a promoter pays them to rank fighters for beating bums? Does not compute

[Marchegiano]

So you are saying Lineal is bs because rankings are chosen by a bunch of fat clowns,yet you lend weight to this 4 belt era where the orgs rankings are selected by how much a promoter pays them to rank fighters for beating bums? Does not compute

No

I am saying you have to take sanctioning body elements and apply them to lineal just to make lineal less obviously ******.


Lineal is dumb, that's why the mugs who had to live with it enjoyed abandoning it for body belts. There is nothing about lineal that is respectable that fans or Ring didn't make up looooong after the bodies had taken over and lineal had been dead for decades.

Single strap? When? When in lineal history was their one lineal champion? There's like a million claims per era and we just pick who we like in that era and pretend he was the only fool with a title or physical belt that said champion on it.

Ratings? Lineal has no ****ing ratings.

Defense? You can't strip a lineal for not fight fool.

So, what has happened is the bodies sold the ratings and then lineal had a reason to sell ratings too because you mugs loooove ratings. It's obviously more of a corruption of the system that was rate-less than the system that was always rated.

[kushking]

No

I am saying you have to take sanctioning body elements and apply them to lineal just to make lineal less obviously ******.


Lineal is dumb, that's why the mugs who had to live with it enjoyed abandoning it for body belts. There is nothing about lineal that is respectable that fans or Ring didn't make up looooong after the bodies had taken over and lineal had been dead for decades.

Single strap? When? When in lineal history was their one lineal champion? There's like a million claims per era and we just pick who we like in that era and pretend he was the only fool with a title or physical belt that said champion on it.

Ratings? Lineal has no ****ing ratings.

Defense? You can't strip a lineal for not fight fool.

So, what has happened is the bodies sold the ratings and then lineal had a reason to sell ratings too because you mugs loooove ratings. It's obviously more of a corruption of the system that was rate-less than the system that was always rated.

I honestly don't even understand your argument,so Lineal that takes into account who you beat & how dangerous to the best you're viewed as being,is a pos,but collecting 4 meaningless belts that are given out like participation awards mean something?

Heres why I find undisputed in the 4 belt era especially ******,even if a fighter manages to collect all the belts through luck(luck because often times it takes 2 fights to get undisputed,other times it takes several because of pos orgs joke rules)

Even if a fighter gets all 4 belts,theres ZERO chance of them keeping all 4 belts,even if they aren't looking for more belts in more divisions (like hw for example) so what tf was the point in that instance, especially if the belts were won vs paper champs during a lucky time your promoter has all the fighters with belts(Bud),& then you don't even defend those belts even once(almost every undisputed til now)

In Mikes era he won 3 belts & actually defended them,that would never happen in 4 belt era.

[TernceBudCharlo]

Belts are ****** but all you can ask of a fighter is to fight the best AVAILABLE opponents willing to get in the ring with them at or around their weight class. Bud did this when he was at 140, not even the biggest haters will tell you otherwise.

[GhostofDempsey]

Undisputed takes on a different look depending upon which division you accomplish it and how strong that division is at that time. Crawford had one of the weakest divisions to attain undisputed. Lopez only had to defeat two, and some fans still dispute whether or not he is truly undisputed unless he beats Haney. With more titles at stake than ever in watered down divisions, and more promoters and networks in the mix to make it harder to get these fights signed, becoming undisputed is more about timing and being in the right place at the right time than it is cleaning out a division full of lions.

[kushking]

Belts are ****** but all you can ask of a fighter is to fight the best AVAILABLE opponents willing to get in the ring with them at or around their weight class. Bud did this when he was at 140, not even the biggest haters will tell you otherwise.

Let's not get tied up into making this about Bud(nobody begrudges him for undisputed) I just don't rate undisputed as the automatic atg accomplishment its made out as, especially when Taylor v Ramirez is for Undisputed.

[TernceBudCharlo]

Let's not get tied up into making this about Bud(nobody begrudges him for undisputed) I just don't rate undisputed as the automatic atg accomplishment its made out as, especially when Taylor v Ramirez is for Undisputed.

I agree with this, I don't think Jermell vs. Rosario is that great either, same with Usyk, although Usyk probably had the toughest comp but it was still a weak division. Breideis fight was close, but it looks like he's turning out to be a good cruiserweight. Gassiev had a great win over the El Doctor de KOs and then Usyk beat him.