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[Eff Pandas]

There was too much money in play for this to not work out.

I kinda think Bob is part of the plan to make these sorta things more drama filled than they should be. And Fury just helped him out a lil since he's involved.

Personally the boxing news I'm most bored with & annoyed by is the "Is the fight gonna happen" boxing news with any high level fight. Sign the deal or don't, but quit making the drama of if the deal can be made the damn story.

[billeau2]

There was too much money in play for this to not work out.

I kinda think Bob is part of the plan to make these sorta things more drama filled than they should be. And Fury just helped him out a lil since he's involved.

Personally the boxing news I'm most bored with & annoyed by is the "Is the fight gonna happen" boxing news with any high level fight. Sign the deal or don't, but quit making the drama of if the deal can be made the damn story.

its going to be that way until boxing fans embrace someone more loathsome than even the promoters... The Paul Brothers. Not per se, but when fans get woke enough, so that lightbulb goes off: "hey, we can directly fund the fights we want to see! and not fund the fights we do notcare for." But that would mean acknowledging two reprehensible YouTubers... Of course no one has to support the Paul Brothers, just understand how they operate and admit it is what boxing needs. Let the promoters sort out the up and commers... make cards with tournaments like what they did when Andre Ward won the Super Middle... and let the big boys use social media... I would be much more inclined to buy fights directly from a fighter... I don't mind giving 100 bucks To Fury and Joshua,but damn if I am going to pay for blackmail boys like promoters.

There could be a "good cop, bad cop" scenario here Eff Panda, thats a novel thought and I could see it!

[Eff Pandas]

its going to be that way until boxing fans embrace someone more loathsome than even the promoters... The Paul Brothers. Not per se, but when fans get woke enough, so that lightbulb goes off: "hey, we can directly fund the fights we want to see! and not fund the fights we do notcare for." But that would mean acknowledging two reprehensible YouTubers... Of course no one has to support the Paul Brothers, just understand how they operate and admit it is what boxing needs. Let the promoters sort out the up and commers... make cards with tournaments like what they did when Andre Ward won the Super Middle... and let the big boys use social media... I would be much more inclined to buy fights directly from a fighter... I don't mind giving 100 bucks To Fury and Joshua,but damn if I am going to pay for blackmail boys like promoters.

There could be a "good cop, bad cop" scenario here Eff Panda, thats a novel thought and I could see it!

The Paul brothers do it to with the who can we have a drama filled sign the deal bs with. I was more thinking about how the PBC & the UFC (usually) do things. Granted you don't hear sh^t for months which leads the dummies to suggest PBC is about to file bankruptcy, but then boom you get a schedule drop without the drama & bs of all this nothing news thats full of speculation usually. And the UFC is always keeping it moving. The JBJ vs Francis thing they got going right now is like their lil ode to boxing fight bs it seems doe.

But yea I am a fan of the idea of fighters making their own fights & the promoter just turning on the lights & setting up the ring at the venue & typical event promoter type job duties. So on that end I'm with what the Paul brothers & Floyd was doing. And kinda like Canelo is doing now & I was hoping he'd do for years. Lets keep it moving.

[billeau2]

The Paul brothers do it to with the who can we have a drama filled sign the deal bs with. I was more thinking about how the PBC & the UFC (usually) do things. Granted you don't hear sh^t for months which leads the dummies to suggest PBC is about to file bankruptcy, but then boom you get a schedule drop without the drama & bs of all this nothing news thats full of speculation usually. And the UFC is always keeping it moving. The JBJ vs Francis thing they got going right now is like their lil ode to boxing fight bs it seems doe.

But yea I am a fan of the idea of fighters making their own fights & the promoter just turning on the lights & setting up the ring at the venue & typical event promoter type job duties. So on that end I'm with what the Paul brothers & Floyd was doing. And kinda like Canelo is doing now & I was hoping he'd do for years. Lets keep it moving.

The promoters are legit useful setting up round robbins, getting prospects a name, putting on cards where fighters can move up... They don't do that well because of something I call "the Airport syndrome." Before Uber you could never get a cab in San Francisco... Turns out Cab Drivers were all in line at the airport, waiting for those nice fat fares... so people in the city would wait forever. The irony being that in San Francisco's airport there are plenty of easy ways to get home. Well... These promoters would rather spend time and energy on big names that would do very well with no middle men, like people who could take BART, the Shuttle, even Limos with a few other passengers...than hustle for the guys who need the help, vis a vis the cab.

Canelo, Joshua... these guys would have a massive response if they went to sell tickets directly on social media. They could even do the social media, stop the drive halfway time wise before the fight and hire a promoter a la carte.

[Eff Pandas]

The promoters are legit useful setting up round robbins, getting prospects a name, putting on cards where fighters can move up... They don't do that well because of something I call "the Airport syndrome." Before Uber you could never get a cab in San Francisco... Turns out Cab Drivers were all in line at the airport, waiting for those nice fat fares... so people in the city would wait forever. The irony being that in San Francisco's airport there are plenty of easy ways to get home. Well... These promoters would rather spend time and energy on big names that would do very well with no middle men, like people who could take BART, the Shuttle, even Limos with a few other passengers...than hustle for the guys who need the help, vis a vis the cab.

Canelo, Joshua... these guys would have a massive response if they went to sell tickets directly on social media. They could even do the social media, stop the drive halfway time wise before the fight and hire a promoter a la carte.

Round Robins like the Super Six?!?! Round Robins are HORRIBLE for boxing. A tournament is fine, round robins suck doe. The Super Six is exhibit A in that. Not that it wasn't fun or got to the point of proving who was best at 168 cuz it did that. But boxing is too conclusive of a sport to have built in multi-loss formats. Like a football team isn't necessarily going to go from a top team to garbage following an L, but boxers go from high level to non-high level or unable to compete in one fight all the time. Side rant here lol.

But yea fighters can sell tickets better than promoters. They just don't really do it cuz they aren't incentivized to do it in most cases. More should take on that job as I'm sure it'd payoff, but boxers would need to build a team that could handle it & now they just sorta hand off all power to promoters cuz its easier & less stressful for most I imagine. But hell honestly the fighters on the card should be splitting up all the gate profits in an ideal boxing world in line with how boxing operates today. A promoter to me should just be a facilitator of the venue a show is at & hired event by event. Promoters should be like fooking wedding planners basically lol. It should ALWAYS be a flat fee promoters are paid. They have far far far too much power & control in todays boxing.

That said my ideal boxing universe involves region owners who control all high level boxing in an area not unlike a football owner in an area owns a team. And thats taking power away from promoters & boxers, but I think its a better sport for fans & more profitable sport for folks with skin in the game.

[billeau2]

Round Robins like the Super Six?!?! Round Robins are HORRIBLE for boxing. A tournament is fine, round robins suck doe. The Super Six is exhibit A in that. Not that it wasn't fun or got to the point of proving who was best at 168 cuz it did that. But boxing is too conclusive of a sport to have built in multi-loss formats. Like a football team isn't necessarily going to go from a top team to garbage following an L, but boxers go from high level to non-high level or unable to compete in one fight all the time. Side rant here lol.

But yea fighters can sell tickets better than promoters. They just don't really do it cuz they aren't incentivized to do it in most cases. More should take on that job as I'm sure it'd payoff, but boxers would need to build a team that could handle it & now they just sorta hand off all power to promoters cuz its easier & less stressful for most I imagine. But hell honestly the fighters on the card should be splitting up all the gate profits in an ideal boxing world in line with how boxing operates today. A promoter to me should just be a facilitator of the venue a show is at & hired event by event. Promoters should be like fooking wedding planners basically lol. It should ALWAYS be a flat fee promoters are paid. They have far far far too much power & control in todays boxing.

That said my ideal boxing universe involves region owners who control all high level boxing in an area not unlike a football owner in an area owns a team. And thats taking power away from promoters & boxers, but I think its a better sport for fans & more profitable sport for folks with skin in the game.

Any tourney format that allows guys to narrow the field down. I really liked the super middle weight deal. yeah the multi losses is an issue, goodpoint. Just some format where guys fight up the ladder and often. Fighters could hire a multi media team instead of a promoter, thats what we do. My generation (57 next month) just does not have that reflexive internet ability... So for our lots, and a business I got a guy who does the website, social media, etc.

Your rant on promoters is spot on... I look on promoters a bit like these gdamn new delivery services... You know Grub hub, door dash... You used to get pizza and chinese because they delivered. Now some tech idiot learned how to harass restaurants into using something else that adds no value and we pay a premium for. Hate that shiat lol. As far as regional control, that system is in place if it ever was tobe fully utilized... Gyms. Gyms are an ideal network system for regional control centers.

[Eff Pandas]

Any tourney format that allows guys to narrow the field down. I really liked the super middle weight deal. yeah the multi losses is an issue, goodpoint. Just some format where guys fight up the ladder and often. Fighters could hire a multi media team instead of a promoter, thats what we do. My generation (57 next month) just does not have that reflexive internet ability... So for our lots, and a business I got a guy who does the website, social media, etc.

Your rant on promoters is spot on... I look on promoters a bit like these gdamn new delivery services... You know Grub hub, door dash... You used to get pizza and chinese because they delivered. Now some tech idiot learned how to harass restaurants into using something else that adds no value and we pay a premium for. Hate that shiat lol. As far as regional control, that system is in place if it ever was tobe fully utilized... Gyms. Gyms are an ideal network system for regional control centers.

I'd suggest arena's would be a better hub people see like most pro sports have. Basically virtually everything I wish boxing would do more mainstream sports are doing now in some form thats transferable over to boxing. But like if you own the Las Vegas region you'd sign a deal with Allegiant Stadium for x number of big shows per year & probably MGM for x number of shows that aren't the biggest shows. Beyond that you'd just buy office space like I imagine mainstream sports did early on til they can afford some specialized building like the UFC recently built thats their HQ. Cept you'd have that sorta setup all over the world or at least in the most high level boxing countries. Guys from smaller countries would probably reach a certain level where they'd need to sign up with a region or you could have a yearly draft of sorts where guys ready to get into a higher level of boxing get picked up by a region. Also I think you'd wanna divide regions up smart weight wise. Like if you are my man Ra'eese Aleem born in Michigan, you are probably gonna have to fight for a owner in Mexico or Japan. And that Zhang Chinese guy who was life n death in his last fight is gonna have to come to the US or UK.

And randomly LOL at how I can speculate on sci-fi fantasy how boxing SHOULD work sh^t all damn day, but the sci-fi fantasy of P4P & ATG bs never intrigues me at all.

As to the promoters to delivery service comparison idk that I agree. I think delivery services are +EV & are providing a service. Its not great for food joints as I understand it, but I'd suggest thats on the food joints for not providing a service folks want, their food delivered. Promoters I'm not sure wtf they do anymore. I think there was a time when a promoter hyped up the event & I think there are still guys who do that better than others & some who hardly do it at all. Promoters definitely aren't servicing what customers of the boxing product want like delivery services do. I mean fook my best description of promoters jobs today seem to be trying to get you excited for a fight you don't care if it happens or not. If DoorDash worked like boxing promoters you'd open the app & it'd give you the choice of Korean BBQ or nothing lmfao. You can either buy the Korean BBQ or go fook yourself.

[billeau2]

I'd suggest arena's would be a better hub people see like most pro sports have. Basically virtually everything I wish boxing would do more mainstream sports are doing now in some form thats transferable over to boxing. But like if you own the Las Vegas region you'd sign a deal with Allegiant Stadium for x number of big shows per year & probably MGM for x number of shows that aren't the biggest shows. Beyond that you'd just buy office space like I imagine mainstream sports did early on til they can afford some specialized building like the UFC recently built thats their HQ. Cept you'd have that sorta setup all over the world or at least in the most high level boxing countries. Guys from smaller countries would probably reach a certain level where they'd need to sign up with a region or you could have a yearly draft of sorts where guys ready to get into a higher level of boxing get picked up by a region. Also I think you'd wanna divide regions up smart weight wise. Like if you are my man Ra'eese Aleem born in Michigan, you are probably gonna have to fight for a owner in Mexico or Japan. And that Zhang Chinese guy who was life n death in his last fight is gonna have to come to the US or UK.

And randomly LOL at how I can speculate on sci-fi fantasy how boxing SHOULD work sh^t all damn day, but the sci-fi fantasy of P4P & ATG bs never intrigues me at all.

As to the promoters to delivery service comparison idk that I agree. I think delivery services are +EV & are providing a service. Its not great for food joints as I understand it, but I'd suggest thats on the food joints for not providing a service folks want, their food delivered. Promoters I'm not sure wtf they do anymore. I think there was a time when a promoter hyped up the event & I think there are still guys who do that better than others & some who hardly do it at all. Promoters definitely aren't servicing what customers of the boxing product want like delivery services do. I mean fook my best description of promoters jobs today seem to be trying to get you excited for a fight you don't care if it happens or not. If DoorDash worked like boxing promoters you'd open the app & it'd give you the choice of Korean BBQ or nothing lmfao. You can either buy the Korean BBQ or go fook yourself.

Stadiums, Arenas per a particular region? I don't see any downside to that process. I would want to address judging... I would have six judges, so that after every round 3 judges could look at slo mo replay. There would be a regional universal criteria for the judging. you could even have sensors in the gloves that show a hit versus a miss...they actually do that in fencing already. If you did mainstream the sport it would be a renaissance for what it once was... albeit in those days in was national and not international.

Promoters found away in to the fight game early on, and because boxing has always been "totem and taboo" the public loved it as the ultimate way to declare winning,but also loathed it as barbaric. Hence, there was never a need to clean it up and mainstream it the same way as team sports.

Lol. Iove your Door Dash analogy! Great ideas also.

[Eff Pandas]

Stadiums, Arenas per a particular region? I don't see any downside to that process. I would want to address judging... I would have six judges, so that after every round 3 judges could look at slo mo replay. There would be a regional universal criteria for the judging. you could even have sensors in the gloves that show a hit versus a miss...they actually do that in fencing already. If you did mainstream the sport it would be a renaissance for what it once was... albeit in those days in was national and not international.

Promoters found away in to the fight game early on, and because boxing has always been "totem and taboo" the public loved it as the ultimate way to declare winning,but also loathed it as barbaric. Hence, there was never a need to clean it up and mainstream it the same way as team sports.

Lol. Iove your Door Dash analogy! Great ideas also.

Oh sh^t I'm with the computer chips/sensors in gloves thing myself & have discussed it before here. I think you could potentially rid boxing of judges completely by using chips/sensors in gloves. I'd like to see a measurement not just on hits & misses, but also on the power/strength of a punch. I think you could potentially make boxing like a fighting video game where you see the life of yourself or opponent go down as you play lol. I think fans would love seeing those stats during a fight & nerd out on them between fights in a way punch stats numbers rarely are able to connect with fans (& hell Compubox should be trying to make this happen now, fook all these guys pressing buttons for up to 36 minutes). And judging is easy from that angle. Whoever did the most damage in the round, wins the round. Could probably even make a threshold of if its too wide a difference between damage its a 10-8 round. But basically fights get judged on math at that point. If fighter A landed 20 punches at an avg PSI of 80 (20x80=1,600) & fighter B landed 12 punches at an avg PSI of 120 (12x120=1,440) than fighter A wins the round. No more majority or split decisions. Just one thing judging a fight.

100% on the slo mo thing. Thats so basic its sorta embarrassing that boxing isn't using it across the board in all high level fights. I get it may not be as reasonable to use it in club shows or just lower level shows, but every major network across the globe that shows boxing should be able to do this at a bare minimum.

The promoter transition from the guy back in the day who put on an event to the guy with a roster of fighters & a TV deal typically like they have today is interesting & compelling to me. I don't even realize or understand when or how it happened exactly, but its definitely seems like promoters were largely one event facilitators at some point & now they are full on businessmen who are invested in boxers & have more skin in the game than they ever had. And idk that promoters should have skin in the game like they do. Its a massive conflict of interest to me for the guy who's putting on an event to have so much invested in who wins.

[billeau2]

Oh sh^t I'm with the computer chips/sensors in gloves thing myself & have discussed it before here. I think you could potentially rid boxing of judges completely by using chips/sensors in gloves. I'd like to see a measurement not just on hits & misses, but also on the power/strength of a punch. I think you could potentially make boxing like a fighting video game where you see the life of yourself or opponent go down as you play lol. I think fans would love seeing those stats during a fight & nerd out on them between fights in a way punch stats numbers rarely are able to connect with fans (& hell Compubox should be trying to make this happen now, fook all these guys pressing buttons for up to 36 minutes). And judging is easy from that angle. Whoever did the most damage in the round, wins the round. Could probably even make a threshold of if its too wide a difference between damage its a 10-8 round. But basically fights get judged on math at that point. If fighter A landed 20 punches at an avg PSI of 80 (20x80=1,600) & fighter B landed 12 punches at an avg PSI of 120 (12x120=1,440) than fighter A wins the round. No more majority or split decisions. Just one thing judging a fight.

100% on the slo mo thing. Thats so basic its sorta embarrassing that boxing isn't using it across the board in all high level fights. I get it may not be as reasonable to use it in club shows or just lower level shows, but every major network across the globe that shows boxing should be able to do this at a bare minimum.

The promoter transition from the guy back in the day who put on an event to the guy with a roster of fighters & a TV deal typically like they have today is interesting & compelling to me. I don't even realize or understand when or how it happened exactly, but its definitely seems like promoters were largely one event facilitators at some point & now they are full on businessmen who are invested in boxers & have more skin in the game than they ever had. And idk that promoters should have skin in the game like they do. Its a massive conflict of interest to me for the guy who's putting on an event to have so much invested in who wins.

That last point about promoters... very very important. Yeah boxing is truly primitive with respect to technology and it really bothers me because I would LOVE to bet on fights again. Refuse to do so with the judges bad decisions.